Tithing

Man oh Man how liberals and modernistic views have infiltrated our churches. I don't care how you look at it. We are still under some of the practices of the law. Tithing is a practice/command we are still required to follow. Read your bibles brothers for what it says. All the scripture you have given to me before is being taken out of context.

These views are exactly why some of our churches are having a hard time existing. Thank God I have been assigned to a flock who does tithe like they are supposed to and reads the bible for what it states.

If you believe we are not under the law then how do you explain 2 Timothy 3:16?

Man oh man my brothers how the devil is smiling and laughing at each and every one of you right now.

 

faithtrustbelief

You are under the assumption that just because most of us " Believe " the NT doesn't COMMAND us to tithe that we don't give. We DO give but we give for differnet reasons than most preachers teach.

As I mentioned before because of LEGALISM we stopped going to church for a few years off and on. And during that time we saw God bless us regardless even when we were not giving. That just showed me that most of the preaching that preachers do to get their flock to give wasn't entirely correct. " GIVE AND IT WILL GIVEN UNTO YOU 100 FOLD " or how about this one " IF YOU DON'T GIVE GOD WILL GET IT SOME HOW, YOUR CAR WILL BREAK DOWN OR SOME APPLIANCE ET. " well that didn't really happen that was for sure, even when we gave beyond our 10%. And we found we were blessed when we didn't give even up to 10%.

We found that Gods love and his blessings WERE NOT dependent on what we did, but on WHO HE IS !

Just like assurance of salvation ! My salvation isn't dependant on me it is dependant on God and his promises !

Anyway, I think we would all agree we need to give to our churches to support our Pastors and continue the work of God, no doubt. But we need to do it with a gateful heart for all he has done for us.

Not out of FEAR, LEGALISM, to receive BLESSINGS, ACCEPTANCE, or any other negaitve means.

I think this was the point those in the NT were trying to bring home. We are no longer under the law but under grace. Does that make any sense ?

 

Sorry Rightfromwrong. I still know in my heart we should tithe cause God commands us to tithe. I just really know the view you give is modernistic and liberal.

 

faithtrustbelief..... You keep saying God has COMMANDED us to tithe.... yet you have yet to shows us specifically WHERE in the NT he
" Said " that !

Sound like just another Pastors slanted bias point of veiw if you can't back it up.

 

More than that, I believe FaithTrustBelieve is afraid if he quits preaching legalism, he may have to work part time. I wonder what would happen if we allowed the Holy Spirit to lead people instead of giving some kind of pastor-made field manual on things like this.

My dear brother, "I feel in my heart..." is a copout. About as much as a southern Baptist preacher told me one time, "I know 'he that letteth' in 2 Thess. 2 is talking about the Holy Spirit". I replied, "Where else in the Scripture does the Holy Spirit have this title? After all, the context does not say it is." To which he replied, "I just believe it is the HOly Spirit". How can you argue against someone like that? They are not correctable by the Scriptures. After all, "All Scripture is profitable for... correction..." 2 Timothy 3:16

 

RightfromWrong,

I have given you numerous scriptures from the NT proving we are still under the law. I have even given you scripture where Jesus brings up tithing in the NT. I have even brought up OT scriptures on the subject. I am NOT going to go through it again. The only thing I can do now is to pray for my christian brothers who have fallen under the liberal thinking of Satan.

I pray you and my other brothers will be awakened to the true facts concerning tithing. I have done all I can. Now it is up to Jesus to help you.

 

You have given us NOTHING ! And we are not still under the Law Jesus said I have come to FULFILL THE LAW. He set us free from the law.

As a preacher you should know that the LAW was given to point us to Christ not to be obeyed in order to gain accpetance.

The LAW was given to show the Jews that no matter how hard they tried they couldn't obey the LAW completely therefore they NEEDED a SAVIOR.

He attacked those who thought they were righteous by their outward works but thier hearts were far from him. Jesus showed us in the NT it was the HEART that he was concerned about.

I could go on and on with this subject proving that we are no longer under the LAW but are under Grace.

That doesn't mean we do not Obey Christ commandments. But the motive should be out of LOVE and no other.

Read 1Cor. 13

 

If what you say is true then how does 3 Timothy 3:16 fit into your argument. Like I thought it doesn't cause we are still under some of the law. PERIOD.

 

2 TIM 3:16 is saying exactly what it says. That ALL scripture is inspired by God and PROFITABLE
for teaching , for reproof, for correction, for training, in RIGHTEOUSNESS; that the man of God may be adequate, EQUIPPED for every good work."

So whats your point ?

I don't think anyone has a problem with that.
This verse still says nothing about TITHING
The Bible ( NT ) is clear about GIVING and no one is disagreeing with that. It is HOW we give that YOU are having a problem with.

 

Sorry meant 2 Timothy 3:16

 

Ok how do you explain Matthew 23:23 if tithing does not apply to us now?

 

Again for the hundreth time. ( are you sure you are a Pastor ? )

Jesus is REBUKING the Pharisees and Scribes for their LEGALISM ( tithes ) , and tells them what is important, their heart ( Justice, Mercy, and faithfulness ) !

All you keep doing is proving me RIGHT and you WRONG

Give it up you are just spinning your wheels.

 

FTB.....How do I answer Matt.23:23?...Simple brother...CONTEXT...I am not a Jew or a Pharisee or a child of the nation of Israel,or a scribe...I'm a New Testament Christian in the church age under the dispensation of G R A C E!! I am taught to G I V E with a cheerful heart as "every man purposeth in his own heart" between God and myself.Our Lord Jesus Christ was addressing LAWKEEPING JEWS in that passage scolding them for their hypocrisy while they were still UNDER the LAW prior to His death,burial,and resurrection.THAT is "rightly dividing the Word of Truth".It is also in keeping with your most oft quoted verse(2 Tim.3:16)as it is most definitely given for our INSTRUCTION on what we should NOT do...or even attempt to be under GRACE!We should GIVE...and VERY liberally(to make better use of that word you like to accuse people of being)to support the Lord's work and the furtherance of the Gospel.....but never have we been commanded to TITHE ANYWHERE in the New Testament...or for our dispensation ANYWHERE in the Old Testament either.In order to further this teaching you place your congregation in bondage to a "law" not meant for them and "wrest" the scriptures.I pray that God will open the eyes of your people to the way of Biblical FAITH and NOT legalistic WORKS and the "curse" of the law.You can't teach truth under that guise."Whatsoever is not of FAITH is sin."

Greg Sr.

 

Posted by:faithtrustbelief:We are still under some of the practices of the law. Tithing is a practice/command we are still required to follow.

Show me where please. You say to take the bible for what it says. Please do so.

Posted by:faithtrustbelief: I have given you numerous scriptures from the NT proving we are still under the law. I have even given you scripture where Jesus brings up tithing in the NT.

That is the weakest argument I have seen to date. You do not have a single N.T. verse used in context to back up your opinion. It is utter foolishness to even suggest we are still under ANY aspect of the law.

 

faithtrustbelief said:
"I just really know the view you give is modernistic and liberal."

But Paul never taught tithing. Early Baptist did not teach it. Til we copied the catholics.

Someone also said it was in effect before the law. no! Those before the law desired to give 10%. They were not commanded to do so. and if it is Abraham you speak of he gave 10% of the spoils of war not from anything that was his before the battle. If it is Jacob no record of him giving the 10% he said he would give.

 

Jesus came to fulfill the law not to destroy

Gregory Perry Sr. you are correct we are to still tithe and matt 23:23 is the key his rebuke is also a compliment if they would read the passage without a closed mind to tithing they would see he tells them they should continue tithing and also the others.

this tithing is not maditory is a corrupt teaching filling our churches furthering them in there downfall.

the love of money disguise as BIBLE TEACHING when it actually stealing from God and distorting his word to do so.

 

I still think these pro-tithing types are afraid to lose full-time,conference jumping, camp-meeting attending, gulf playing, vacationary pastors and their mega-church facilities with their super duper family life centers with "sports outreaches" and the like (cough!).

 

you speak strong but know little. but the back bone to pro tithing comes from small church pastors working 2 jobs and have no dealings with any money

be careful when u paint with a broad brush friend

 

I will certainly not get into a cat fight with you, my brother. I am aware, however, that many 2-job pastors are that way because they are in personal debt up to their eyeballs.

Furthermore, you paint just as wide of a brush on your protithing brotherhood. They are not all as you speak. I am willing to say that I am a dispensationalist on all matters, including church finance.

 

Very easily. They lived under the sacrificial system with the temple and Levites, which would overlap the real sacrifice for sin by about 40 years, and at that moment it had not been accomplished.

But to show your selectivity in citing this passage, do you actually tithe mint and dill and cumin? Do you even grow-- "increase"-- any of them, let alone all of them?