To the Calvinists here: what part of Non cal theology Bothers you the Most?

[saturneptune]

What a farse. YOu can't make up your mind how you want to spin this. One hand, I misrepresent Calvinist beliefs, but when I post the beliefs directly from a Calvinist source where you have the opportunity to hold me to explaining myself compared to a Calvinist document that's right there, now it's plagiarism LOL So either way I go, it would not matter. If I don't cut and paste something, it's not acceptable because I am misrepresenting Calvinism ,cut and paste is OK for Calvinists, but not for Non Calvinists. Yet if I do cut and paste something, now it's pretentious. You are a real joke fella and your fake piety is beyond contemptuous.

Frankly, I think your degree is cut and paste.

 

[convicted1]

OK I will give you your chances to pick me apart. I will write out what I believe TULIP to mean, and you all can tell me how straw man I am. If I am wrong, then I will concede that I do not understand Calvinism and go on my merry way. I will explain this from a Calvinist position, and then if you can not pick apart my description of Calvinism, then you agree that there has been no misrepresentation of Calvinism on my part, but that you simply don't like my conclusions.

Brother, the problem we all have with this is what is bolded, and especially, underlined. You stated you would write out what you believed, and then "copied and pasted" from another site, w/o citing a reference. Without citing a reference and using it as one's own, that constitutes plagarism.

 

[convicted1]

And speaking of plagiarism, what's that at the bottom of your signature:



Is that your statement, is it a Bible verse....Nah, it's the typical man worship concept where the mantras of men are more important than the word of God.
Do you know how many creeds, synods, Westminster Confessions, Belgium Confessions, etc an independent fundamental Baptist church has? ZERO. I nor any one in my church have to have a synod to figure out what the truth is. I don't need an acrostic to live by. If I had to live by acrostics, it would be BIBLE not TULIP. Man made man worshipping doctrines of MEN that never separated from the Whore of Babylon.

Brother P4T isn't plagarizing whatsoever in his signature, because he is citing who stated that original statement. You didn't.

 

[DrJamesAch]

Ach



No....the cal believes that a depraved man.....can be religious, speak about God,the bible......however not savingly....because of sins effects on his mind, heart, emotions

OK so let me clarify this one by one

1. Is man dead in sin?
2. Can a man dead in sin hear the voice of God?
3. Can a man dead in sin respond to God?
4. Must a man dead in sin be given repentance by God to respond to Him?

This is a simple yes or no, not how God resolves each tenant, but whether each statement by itself is true or not.

 

[Iconoclast]

You're a charlatan. You're deceitful.

You plagiarized and made it out like it was coming from you. What does Scripture call that 'Dr.'?

You will go to no end to deceive others even to the point of deceiving yourself.

BTW, I googled it due to the fact it sounded way too scholarly to have come from your mind from what I've seen on here in your writings.

:thumbsup::applause::thumbsup:

 

[Iconoclast]

Frankly, I think your degree is cut and paste.

:thumbs::applause::laugh::laugh:

 

[Luke2427]

Yes, I am familiar with the "spiritual warfare" of Calvinists, and so was Servetus and many others. Nothing's changed.

Servetus was not put to death because he was not a Calvinist. He was put to death because he was a heretic warned repeatedly to stop breaking the law and filling the land with his pernicious, divisive, damnable, anti-trinitarian doctrine.

But to purport that Calvin's doctrines led to his position on capital punishment for heretics is non-sequitur in the highest degree- to the point of utter stupidity.

 

[saturneptune]

It was a parody of your ridiculous belief that God predetermines EVERYTHING. Your view makes God the author of sin, evil, and heresy, so according to Calvinism, if what you thought I said was heresy, it was predetermined by God to be so according to YOUR belief system.

Yet, God determines all things except when it makes you face the reality of having to admit there are things that sound preposterous. That's where Calvinists demonstrate such enormous dishonesty because they refuse to concede what the conclusions of their beliefs imply. The only Calvinist I know that had the guts to admit it was A.W. Pink.

Your post is riddled with error. First of all, God is the Creator, and yes, it is His right to predetermine things as you put it. That fact has no connection to, nor does it make God the author of sin and evil. You connect theological dots that are not there. The posters on here who strongly believe in God's sovereignty and grace are not "enormously dishonest." As a matter of fact, they give God the honor, glory and sovereignty that He is due. That is the opposite of your posts, which paint God, our Savior, our Creator, as a weak, indecisive, dependent on man, God.

You supposedly have a doctorate, able to think on your feet. Does it not sound ridiculous for a Holy God to create man, who is in a fallen state, in a finite world, to determine his own destiny? I got news for you the name DrJames is not one of those listed in Isaiah 9:6.

 

[Winman]

Here's how I feel about this thread.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Brother P4T isn't plagarizing whatsoever in his signature, because he is citing who stated that original statement. You didn't.

Thank you...:thumbs:

 

[Iconoclast]

Ach

OK so let me clarify this one by one

1. Is man dead in sin?

yes he is

2. Can a man dead in sin hear the voice of God?

not savingly....39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

3. Can a man dead in sin respond to God?

not savingly,unless God is drawing him and enabling him..unsaved men respond with rebellion and idolatry...

4. Must a man dead in sin be given repentance by God to respond to Him?

God grants repentance and faith...

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Here's how I feel about this thread.

LOL...:laugh::laugh::thumbsup:

 

[Iconoclast]

Brother, the problem we all have with this is what is bolded, and especially, underlined. You stated you would write out what you believed, and then "copied and pasted" from another site, w/o citing a reference. Without citing a reference and using it as one's own, that constitutes plagarism.

:thumbsup::thumbsup: Sad to see Willis.....agreed:thumbsup:

 

[convicted1]

Here's how I feel about this thread.

Was that Ernest Angsley's way of "come out of there foul demon"??

 

[convicted1]

OK so let me clarify this one by one

1. Is man dead in sin?

Yes.

2. Can a man dead in sin hear the voice of God?

Yes. And they that hear, shall live. John 5:25

3. Can a man dead in sin respond to God?

Yes.

4. Must a man dead in sin be given repentance by God to respond to Him?

A Godly sorrow leads us to repentance. When a sinner is confronted by their sin, via God's calling them, those who respond, do so through the Godly sorrow set up in one's life.

This is a simple yes or no, not how God resolves each tenant, but whether each statement by itself is true or not.

 

[Winman]

Was that Ernest Angsley's way of "come out of there foul demon"??

 

[DrJamesAch]

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Your post is riddled with error. First of all, God is the Creator, and yes, it is His right to predetermine things as you put it. That fact has no connection to, nor does it make God the author of sin and evil.

The Calvinists on here have stated God Decrees ALL things, or does that simply mean the same thing as ALL means in the rest of Calvinist theology, that God only decrees SOME things, but not all. You are so inconsistent in your cherry picking of your own definitions you can't be honest enough to admit when it conflicts with common sense.

If God determines ALL THINGS, ALL means ALL things, and that includes evil, heresy, and sin. If sinners are determined to reject God and then hold them accountable to it, then He is the author of their sin. That is the OBVIOUS and COMMON SENSE conclusion to Calvinism, and like I said, A.W. PINK admitted to it, and many other Calvinist's that have a backbone do as well. They simply explain it away as one of those mysteries we'll never know. Typical evolutionist tactic, we can't explain it, but give it a billion years.

The posters on here who strongly believe in God's sovereignty and grace are not "enormously dishonest." As a matter of fact, they give God the honor, glory and sovereignty that He is due. That is the opposite of your posts, which paint God, our Savior, our Creator, as a weak, indecisive, dependent on man, God.

Your system deprives God of His sovereignty by forcing Him to make choices according to your system. God is not free do as He chooses, God MUST force some to be saved, and some to be damned. God is not permitted to create His own system whereby a sinner has free will. Libertarian free will is not possible, not because the Bible lists numerous places where free will from the BEGINNING OF CREATION exists, but because God is a slave to your man made doctrine. God can not save anyone who places their faith in Him because Calvinism turns faith into a work, which is against the clear teachings of Romans 11:6.

Calvinism consistently ADDS to the word of God, calling faith a gift, and repentance a gift when neither term if found ANYWHERE in the Bible. But that's OK because it's in TULIP and the Belgium Confession and the Westminster Confession and that means it's in the word of God, even though we can't really show you where, it's there because "Calvinism is the gospel".

You supposedly have a doctorate, able to think on your feet. Does it not sound ridiculous for a Holy God to create man, who is in a fallen state, in a finite world, to determine his own destiny? I got news for you the name DrJames is not one of those listed in Isaiah 9:6

Wow, and you accuse me of straw man arguments. Where do you get the a man who God allows to have free will to choose HIM, that He DETERMINES his own destiny? Free will was in the garden before slavery to sin was. Having free will is precisely how man can choose to resist, a concept also foreign to Calvinism despite numerous scriptures that clearly teach that Israel rejected God corporately (Isaiah 1:2, Matthew 23:39) and individually (Acts 7). Calvinism leads to being saved before you have faith.

Calvinist don't want to admit that their theology comes from Augustine and while they claim it "come from Paul" can't show one shred of proof that anyone from Polycarp, Ignatius, Tertullian, Martyr, nor anyone else from Paul to Augustine taught such non sense.

The fact there is no uniformity among Calvinism proves that the system is bogus. If being determined and ordained to salvation in the Calvinist sense means you WILL BE SAVED, then that same method of interpretation must equally apply to Eph 2:10 where God ORDAINS us to good works. Thus if the Calvinist system were consistent, no Calvinist would ever fall into sin.

Oh but wait, there's an explanation for that, they were never saved in the first place! and wallah, the Calvinist then turns ordained into a system that has to validated by works. So who's really trying to control their own destiny??

Rubbish

 

[Herald]

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The Calvinists on here have stated God Decrees ALL things, or does that simply mean the same thing as ALL means in the rest of Calvinist theology, that God only decrees SOME things, but not all. You are so inconsistent in your cherry picking of your own definitions you can't be honest enough to admit when it conflicts with common sense.

If God determines ALL THINGS, ALL means ALL things, and that includes evil, heresy, and sin. If sinners are determined to reject God and then hold them accountable to it, then He is the author of their sin. That is the OBVIOUS and COMMON SENSE conclusion to Calvinism, and like I said, A.W. PINK admitted to it, and many other Calvinist's that have a backbone do as well. They simply explain it away as one of those mysteries we'll never know. Typical evolutionist tactic, we can't explain it, but give it a billion years.



Your system deprives God of His sovereignty by forcing Him to make choices according to your system. God is not free do as He chooses, God MUST force some to be saved, and some to be damned. God is not permitted to create His own system whereby a sinner has free will. Libertarian free will is not possible, not because the Bible lists numerous places where free will from the BEGINNING OF CREATION exists, but because God is a slave to your man made doctrine. God can not save anyone who places their faith in Him because Calvinism turns faith into a work, which is against the clear teachings of Romans 11:6.

Calvinism consistently ADDS to the word of God, calling faith a gift, and repentance a gift when neither term if found ANYWHERE in the Bible. But that's OK because it's in TULIP and the Belgium Confession and the Westminster Confession and that means it's in the word of God, even though we can't really show you where, it's there because "Calvinism is the gospel".



Wow, and you accuse me of straw man arguments. Where do you get the a man who God allows to have free will to choose HIM, that He DETERMINES his own destiny? Free will was in the garden before slavery to sin was. Having free will is precisely how man can choose to resist, a concept also foreign to Calvinism despite numerous scriptures that clearly teach that Israel rejected God corporately (Isaiah 1:2, Matthew 23:39) and individually (Acts 7). Calvinism leads to being saved before you have faith.

Calvinist don't want to admit that their theology comes from Augustine and while they claim it "come from Paul" can't show one shred of proof that anyone from Polycarp, Ignatius, Tertullian, Martyr, nor anyone else from Paul to Augustine taught such non sense.

The fact there is no uniformity among Calvinism proves that the system is bogus. If being determined and ordained to salvation in the Calvinist sense means you WILL BE SAVED, then that same method of interpretation must equally apply to Eph 2:10 where God ORDAINS us to good works. Thus if the Calvinist system were consistent, no Calvinist would ever fall into sin.

Oh but wait, there's an explanation for that, they were never saved in the first place! and wallah, the Calvinist then turns ordained into a system that has to validated by works. So who's really trying to control their own destiny??

Rubbish

Zero responsibility. Zero repentance. Zero credibility. Zero relevance.

 

[DrJamesAch]

wrong person

 

[Iconoclast]

Zero responsibility. Zero repentance. Zero credibility. Zero relevance.

:thumbs::applause::thumbs:

When his real agenda has become manifest it is pathetic to see how bankrupt he is on the theological side.He should have came in here looking for help which he might have received, instead of this which he inflicts upon us.
I will have to resist the temptation to think of all non cals as this poster...many others are sincere and seeking and serving the Lord.