No. As you have testified by your posts, your view is not actually in the Bible (in "what is written"). However, my view (however incomplete you find it) is actually in the text of Scripture.its much more in the bible then a non Psa Atonement view!
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No. As you have testified by your posts, your view is not actually in the Bible (in "what is written"). However, my view (however incomplete you find it) is actually in the text of Scripture.its much more in the bible then a non Psa Atonement view!
The Judgment. God will separate the nations as a shepherd separats goats and sheep. Those who are lost will be condemned in the Lake of Fire.
No. I am saying that in Christ we escape the wrath to come (I understand this "wrath to come" to refer to Judgement).In Christ we are justified by an imputed righteousness.Are you saying that everyone's salvation is "up for grabs" until the Day of Judgment?
No. I am saying that in Christ we escape the wrath to come (I understand this "wrath to come" to refer to Judgement).
Exactly.On the Day of Judgment the lost will be judged since Christ's righteousness was not imputed to them. God's elect, however, have boldness on the Day of Judgment as they stand in Christ's righteousness which was imputed to them.
1 John 4:16-18 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
The "day" was when jesus died on his Cross!I understand your belief. I am just saying it is not in the Bible.
The wrath to come is on all right now not saved in christ!Exactly.
No, it is found in those holding to more of the NPP perspective, not the bible!No. As you have testified by your posts, your view is not actually in the Bible (in "what is written"). However, my view (however incomplete you find it) is actually in the text of Scripture.
JonC does still seem though to be denying personal wrath of God the father towards us that must be propitiated !On the Day of Judgment the lost will be judged since Christ's righteousness was not imputed to them. God's elect, however, have boldness on the Day of Judgment as they stand in Christ's righteousness which was imputed to them.
1 John 4:16-18 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
No. Paul says we "escape the wrath to come". That is not speaking of the cross but the saved cloaked in His righteousness.The "day" was when jesus died on his Cross!
????JonC does still seem though to be denying personal wrath of God the father towards us that must be propitiated !
The Cross is where and when the wrath of the father was propitiated!No. Paul says we "escape the wrath to come". That is not speaking of the cross but the saved cloaked in His righteousness.
The cross is how Christ became a propitiation for the sins of man.
Us the wrath of God towards individuals, or more to a group then?????
I said that we (those who are saved) escape the wrath to come.