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Tongues as the evidence of the Holy Spirit is not Biblical

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  1. Lorelei

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    Ahhh, no one posted in favor of tongues as the evidence until the very day that my daughter had surgery and I could not be here. We just got back last night. It will take me some time to catch up and I will post accordingly. If I miss what someone says realize I am playing catch up here. [​IMG]

    ~Lorelei
     
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    Look around and ask as to wheither "Pentecostalism" is coming to nought.
    "Worldwide there are more Pentecostals than there are Baptist, Mehtodist ,Episcopal, Church of Christ, Prebryterians or any other protestant groups.(In the U.S. this is not the case but Pentecostalism is growing at a faster pace than any other Christian movement.
    look at the world evangelism going on and see how much of it is open to Speaking in tongues, and other manifestations.
    If this is not of God it will come to nought.
    If it is of God then Get in on what God is doing.
    If you are not sure then set back and watch and leave it alone ,but be sure to not to fight it because if it is of God you would be fighting God.

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    GOOD ADVICE!
    Act 2:38-39) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION of SINS, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    Acts 2:39) For the *PROMISE* (Holy Ghost) is unto *YOU*, and to *YOUR CHILDREN,* and to *ALL* that are afar off, even *AS MANY* as the Lord our God shall call.

    Don't you think He is still calling? [​IMG]

    Birth of the NT Church:
    (Acts 2:2-4) And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. (I might add that Mary, the mother of Jesus was in that upper room, with the one hundred twenty. Acts 1:14)
    3) And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
    4) And they were *ALL* filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to SPEAK WITH OTHER TONGUES, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    This experience will be with us until the Times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

    MEE
     
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  3. Lorelei

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MEE:
    I don't recall the Bible ever referring to "tongues" or languages, which it is, as *gibberish* or *babble* either.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yet you never tell me what language you are speaking.


    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MEE:

    Acts 2:4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    Acts 2:39) For the *PROMISE* is unto *YOU,* and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

    If I'm not mistaken, He is still calling. [​IMG]
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Acts 2:38 "And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

    Indeed He is still calling, He does still give the gift of the Holy Spirit. You just don't speak in tongues when receiving it and Peter never says that you do. You are twisting scripture here.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MEE:
    This experiecne is awesome! God is so Good!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Here is the key, you worship your experience, I worship my God. God is awesome, the Bible says so.
    Deuteronomy 7:21
    "for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a great and awesome God."

    Where does it say tongues are awesome? Paul said he would rather us do other things then that!

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> 1 Corinthians 14:5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MEE:

    Also the Bible says that it came from heaven. Acts 2:4) And suddenly there came a sound from *HEAVEN.*    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The Spirit did come from Heaven, but this is not referring to the tongues that they spoke.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    Acts 2:2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The sound that came from heaven was like a blowing of a violent wind, it was not referring to tongues.

    You need to quit supporting tongues as the evidence by sharing scripture that speaks of the Spirit. I am not denying that the Holy Spirit comes today, just that tongues is the evidence of it's appearance.


    ~Lorelei
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ONENESS:

    ok you are saying that tongues is not the evidence and i cannot show you in the bible that that is correct.

    Now I cant give you the understanding, so pray that GOd would ok. Now here we go.    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    God usually gives the understanding by first putting it in His Word. If it isn't even there to beging with, why must I pray for understanding it?

    I do pray for the understanding of His Word, but I do not pray to understand an experience that people have that He does not speak of.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ONENESS:
    Acts 2 On the day of Pentecost they recieved the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues.

    You say that it was not what we experience b/c every man heard him speak in his own language? Meaning that there was an interpretor present.     <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I say it isn't the same because they spoke in a language spoken here on earth, not what they claimed was an angelic tongue.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ONENESS:

    Now I just breifly scanned over the rest of acts and did not notice anywhere else where it says they believed yadda yadda yadda. But I probably did miss some.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I did exactly the same thing you did! I tried to find every where it mentioned something and I was amazed that only 3 times did it ever mention tongues! Didn't you?

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ONENESS:

    Now does it come directly out and say that? No it does not, but if you look at scripture you can get a pretty good idea. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    You get a pretty good idea that they don't. I do look at the scripture, I do and did over and over again.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ONENESS:

    Let me bring this to your attention. If you look at all the verses where it talks about people believing and people being baptized How do we know that they repented? We all agree that Repentance is A number one MUST for salvation. But yet the bible never shares with us in these scriptures that one person repented of their sins.
    So does this mean that they did not repent? I will let you be the judge of that. But For my self I know that the Repented. But yet the bible does not say that.    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    We know this Only because the Bible tells us that you must repent to be saved. The Bible never says that you must speak in tongues, so we can NOT make the same deduction.


    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ONENESS:
    What about you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I have received that awesome gift of the Holy Spirit, I just never spoke in tongues.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ONENESS:

    Lets look at verse 8 for one second. The bible shows us here that they were filled with the Holy Ghost. But never states that they spoke in tongues. Well you might say "b/c they never did" And you may be right. But I believe that the same thing happened to them as it did to the apostles, the gentiles, Johns Decipels and so on and so forth.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    People actually do say they spoke in tongues here because that is how Simon saw the gift and wanted to purchase it for money. But you will notice what is important is that Simon saw the Holy Spirit had indwelled them, not by what evidence with which it was displayed. It is you that place the significance on the sign itself.


    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ONENESS:

    Now for the interpretation part. I cant answer that question that good, b/c I am still unlearned. But looking at the book of Corintians there are two diffrent tongues, tongues of interpretation(diverse tongues)and an unknow tongue.     <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    No there are not two different tongues! That is a gross fabrication of what the Word of God actually says. If you notice the word unknown is most likely in italics in your Bible. That is because the word unknown was added to the KJV, it was NOT in the original texts!

    Divers types of tongues means different human languages. Not different types of tongues. The word tonuge means language, therefore it means different langauges.


    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ONENESS:

    When you are baptized with the holy GHost you speak in an unknown tongue. "You speak mysteries unto God that only he can understand(1 Cor 1:2) not gibberish as you guys like to put it" It is a language but it is a language only God can understand.    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Go back to Acts 2 where you base your whole argument. They did NOT speak an unkown tongue. The spoke in known languages! So well known it even lists what languages they spoke!!!

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>6
    Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
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    And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
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    And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
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    Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
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    Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
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    Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ONENESS:
    When you are baptized with the holy GHost you speak in an unknown tongue. "You speak mysteries unto God that only he can understand(1 Cor 1:2) not gibberish as you guys like to put it" It is a language but it is a language only God can understand.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Only God can understand because there is no interpreter present. That doesn't mean it is a secret language, just that you can not understand it. Read on and Paul said he would rather you prophesied then speak in tongues that are not interpreted. So why don't you?


    I hope that you continue to keep searching the truth on this. Keep reading it over and over again. Also read the book of John and 1 Corinthians.

    ~Lorelei

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    Nice to see you around, Lorelei. How's the little one?

    atestring, you made a statement about Pentecostalism being one of the fastest growing religions in the world (and by the way, I'm doing a search to verify that); funny, but Islam is growing at a rate even larger than Christianity as a whole.

    Shall we now say that Islam is the religion we should all be turning to, based on your logic?
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Don:
    Nice to see you around, Lorelei. How's the little one?

    atestring, you made a statement about Pentecostalism being one of the fastest growing religions in the world (and by the way, I'm doing a search to verify that); funny, but Islam is growing at a rate even larger than Christianity as a whole.

    Shall we now say that Islam is the religion we should all be turning to, based on your logic?    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Since Islam is not of God, I am convinced that it will come to nought.
     
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  7. MEE

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    Originally posted by MEE:
    I don't recall the Bible ever referring to "tongues" or languages, which it is, as *gibberish* or *babble* either.
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    Yet you never tell me what language you are speaking.


    If I knew, then it would not be of God. I'm not supposed to know what language I'm speaking.

    MEE
     
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  8. MEE

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    Originally posted by MEE:

    Acts 2:4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
    Acts 2:39) For the *PROMISE* is unto *YOU,* and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

    If I'm not mistaken, He is still calling.

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    Acts 2:38 "And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

    Indeed He is still calling, He does still give the gift of the Holy Spirit. You just don't speak in tongues when receiving it and Peter never says that you do. You are twisting scripture here.

    MEE:
    Acts 2:33) Peter referring back to Acts 2:4.

    Acts 2:33) Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the *PROMISE* of the *HOLY GHOST,* He hath shed forth *THIS,* which ye now *See* and *HEAR.*

    Acts 2:4) and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak (they *HEARD* something) with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
    When someone "speaks" a word, someone usually hears it. They also "saw" something, but that would go into another thread.

    I'm not trying to argue, I'm just trying to answer your questions the best way I know how. [​IMG] BTW, I'm not trying to twist the scriptures.

    MEE
     
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    quote:
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    Originally posted by MEE:
    This experiecne is awesome! God is so Good!

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    Here is the key, you worship your experience, I worship my God. God is awesome, the Bible says so.
    Deuteronomy 7:21
    "for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a great and awesome God."

    Where does it say tongues are awesome? Paul said he would rather us do other things then that!


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    1 Corinthians 14:5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy
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    Sorry, but I don't recall saying that I worshipped my experience. I too worship my God. That is how the experience of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost comes about....through worship.

    I agree..He is an awesome God!

    I didn't say that tongues was awesome. I said the *EXPERIENCE* was awesome.(being filled with His Spirit)
    Yes, the "gift of tongues" is the least of the nine spiritual gifts, but the baptism of the Holy Ghost, speaking in other tongues, is not the same thing, but it all is by the same Spirit, which is God.

    The people at Corinth already had the baptism of the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. They were just confused as to how to use the "gift of tongues." Remember how Paul told them in 1 Cor. 14:39-40.....and FORBID NOT to speak with tongues.

    40) Let all things be done decently and in order.

    MEE
     
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    Originally posted by MEE:

    Also the Bible says that it came from heaven. Acts 2:4) And suddenly there came a sound from *HEAVEN.*
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    The Spirit did come from Heaven, but this is not referring to the tongues that they spoke.


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    Acts 2:2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting.
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    The sound that came from heaven was like a blowing of a violent wind, it was not referring to tongues.

    You need to quit supporting tongues as the evidence by sharing scripture that speaks of the Spirit. I am not denying that the Holy Spirit comes today, just that tongues is the evidence of it's appearance.

    Lorelei, I don't know what else to tell you! You are not going to believe what I tell you anyway. You know, Israel did believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they weren't correct in their belief, were they?

    *SIGH*

    MEE
     
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    Lorelei, I don't know what else to tell you! You are not going to believe what I tell you anyway. You know, Israel did believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they weren't correct in their belief, were they?

    *SIGH*

    MEE[/QB][/QUOTE]

    Sorry, I meant to say that Israel *DID NOT* believe that Jesus was the Messiah.

    MEE
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Don, I don't know just how you mean this quote.

    Simon was not working "miracles." He was using *sorcery* and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: HE WAS DECIEVING THE PEOPLE *FALSLY* and he knew it. They believed in him, most likely, because they were hungry for the things of God. Now Philip, He was working miricales, through the power of God.

    If I misunderstood you....Sorry!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Nope, you understood me perfectly. Now give it some thought.

    atestring, YOU may think Islam is not of God; we both agree that Islam is NOT of God--and yet it is the fastest growing religion on the face of the planet.

    Get my drift?
     
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    As I said, MEE: Give it some thought.
     
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    Man you keep up with the topic for three days and it does not move, and when you take your eyes off of it BOOM, its started again.

    Be back later to comment lorelei
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MEE:


    If I knew, then it would not be of God. I'm not supposed to know what language I'm speaking.

    MEE    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    How come the Apostles had thier tongues interpreted and specific languages were recognized yet you say that if it is of God you will not know? Re-read Acts 2:8-11

    Someone should at the very least be able to interpret it.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>1 Corinthians 14:6
    Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?
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    Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes?
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    Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?
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    So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.
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    So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.
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    For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MEE:

    I'm not trying to argue, I'm just trying to answer your questions the best way I know how. BTW, I'm not trying to twist the scriptures<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Then what does the verse about the sound from heaven have to do with tongues being the evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit?


    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MEE:

    The people at Corinth already had the baptism of the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. They were just confused as to how to use the "gift of tongues."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Where does it say that they spoke in tongues as the evidence of the Holy Spirit?

    It doesn't say that ANYWHERE.

    Yes, they were confused about the gift of tongues. And so are you. If you truly had the gift, it would have to be used in accordance to the same rules that Paul laid out for the Corinthians. Yet you claim that you don't have the "gift", rather you have the "evidence". The problem is the Bible NEVER speaks of tongues as the evidence of the Holy Spirit. It is only referred to as the gift.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MEE:

    Remember how Paul told them in 1 Cor. 14:39-40.....and FORBID NOT to speak with tongues.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I am not forbidding you, I am simply pointing out that you are NOT speaking in the tongues that were referred to in the Bible. If you were then you would not only apply v 39 of 1 Corinthians 14 you would apply the rules throughout the entire chapter and acknowlege Paul's words

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>1 Corinthians 14:12
    So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.
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    For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says

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    If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.
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    If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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    As for someone stating that Pentacostalism is the fastest growing religion....how does that correlate with the following verse?

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Don

    Thanks for the welcome and my daughter is doing GREAT!! The Lord has really answered our prayers!

    You made an excellent point, if only MEE would think about it!

    ONENESS

    I know exactly how you feel! I don't have that much time to spare right now myself. I will patiently await your response. [​IMG]

    ~Lorelei

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MEE:
    Originally posted by MEE:
    Lorelei, I don't know what else to tell you! You are not going to believe what I tell you anyway. You know, Israel did believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they weren't correct in their belief, were they?

    *SIGH*

    MEE    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    No, I am not going to believe what you tell me. I am going to hold it up against the Word of God to determine if it is indeed truth. I would hope you would do the same. Don't take my word for it, Take God's!

    Indeed, Isreal didn't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. Like you, they had thier own expectations of what He should be. It had to fit "thier" defintion and description, regardless of what the Word of God said about Him.

    Tongues as the evidence of the Holy Spirit is not Biblical, you so much as admit it yourself when you admit that it doesn't "exactly" say that it is. It isn't even "implied" in all instances. You can't prove it to me Biblically so I am supposed to just "believe" you and your experiences. I am sorry, but I look for confirmation in the Word. You ignore it. Now you tell me which one of us is more like the unbelieving Isrealites?

    The Isrealis didn't believe because they ignored the Truth that was so plainly laid out in the Word of God. Beware that you don't do the same thing.

    ~Lorelei
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MEE:
     
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    Speaking in “tongues”

    Question - Why don’t Baptists speak in tongues like the Pentecostal groups do. They say it is a sign of your salvation.

    Answer -
    The Pentecostal Groups take a verse out of context to form this false doctrine. - Here is the verse :
    Acts 2
    1. And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
    2. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
    3. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
    4. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    This is where they stop. 1st mistake. Read on and see what the word tongues really means -

    5. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
    6. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
    7. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
    8. And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

    When the Pentecostal groups get together and babel they say they are speaking in “tongues” . That babel is not a language like is shown here clearly in scripture - tongues or the gift of tongues simply means that someone can speak another language.

    Now lets forget that tongues means another language and see what else the Bible says about this subject.

    1st Corinthians 14
    4. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

    So if you don’t know what someone is speaking about, he is just using that to bring glory to himself.


    This brings me to a very important principal. Why do we gather together to worship? - We do so to bring glory to God. The focus of your worship should be God. Now take a Pentecostal church. The preacher is preaching and all of a sudden people are running down FRONT - babbling and screaming and flopping on the floor. Can you focus on God with all that going on right down there in the front of the church? No. These people who are doing that, are they bringing attention to God or are they bringing it upon themselves? If they weren’t doing that to bring attention upon themselves - why do you think they all run down to the FRONT of the church to do it?

    Read on -
    9. So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

    If you cannot be understood - why speak?

    Look at v 26 -28
    26. How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
    27. If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
    28. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

    This is saying that if someone is going to speak an uncommon language - he has to have two or three people to understand him and one to translate to the church. - Is that the way the Pentecostal group does it? - NO. Everybody is just babbling at once. Nobody knows what anyone is saying. It is just confusion. And the Bible says :

    1st Corinthians 14:
    33. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

    And -
    40. Let all things be done decently and in order.

    Just a side note, Most of the time who starts the tongue talking in a service? The women right?

    Same book and chapter
    1st Corinthians 14:
    34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law
     
    #100 Bro. Mike Floyd, Jan 29, 2002
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