Qwerty,
I think if all are honest, then none would deny that they rely on experience in their interpretation of the word of God to some point.
Where things take a turn for the silly is when one side claims that only the other is interpreting in the light of experience, and tries to claim the "high ground" on that account. Cessartionists, as Jack Deere points out, no less than charismatiocs, are working from experience when it comes to interpreting the texts dealing with charismata; it is simply negative experience (bad or non-existant).
For myself I am grateful for the work of folks like Wayne Grudem and Gordon Fee who have helpd take the issue to a more mature, theologically informed level.
Lorelei,
Actually it was supposed to be a discussion about the "scriptural" evidence of tongues of angels not what thoelogians have to say about them.
There is nothing contrary to the issue of discussing scriptural evidence in refering to the insights of other christians who have studied the scriptural evidence, and have greater experience and training. If there were then you would never utter the words "my pastor said" or refer to a sermon. Indeed, you would never listen to one.
I have offered plenty of evidence, and to this point you have not interacted with much of it. You have denied it and dismissed it. You have not interacted with most of it.
I don't see it in the text of scripture. I am not merely dismissing their claim. I listened to it, examined it in context and then dismissed it.
Would you mind explaining WHY you dismissed it? To what extent is your dismissal based on the fact that acepteance would mean changing yor mind? IOW, exactly how objective are you? Not very from what I can see. You seem quite intent on dismissing anything that might contradict your opinion.
If you want to keep insisting that I am suffering from blind dogmatism then believe what you want.
Its not about what I am inisting. Its about the way you are acting. You don't interact with things. You dimiss them out of hand without giving a reason. You stand proudly on not having the knowledge of scholars while you dimiss ther insights BECAUSE they are scholars and you're not. Your ignorance seems to make you superior in your eyes.
One thing I do not understand is how you can be supporting this tongue that is supposedly coming from the power of the Holy Spirit and then deny the Spirit's ability to teach me without me needing help from another man.
I heaven't done that Lorelei. I said that such apeals are, of themselves, of no value since the claim can be made equally by both sides. It becomes "The Spirit told me" vs The Spirit told me".
All I have asked is that you substantiate your denials with reasons. You have not done so.
I strongly urge you to read the work of Wayne Grudem and Gordon Fee. They are first rate scholars, men of God. They too have the Spirit. Why not actually listen, with an open heart and mind, to them? The wors that could happen is that you might change your mind.
And of youare now recoiling in horror at THAT thought, then you should simply admit that there is nothing that can be said to change your mind, that you are not really open to hearing other points of view except as you can attempt to refute them. That isn't listening and it isn't discussion, on any topic.
