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Top 100 Christian Leaders in America

Darrell C

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I have (4 years ago) and I must agree with Zenas—MacArthur's ego is a bit much. However, it doesn't change the fact that he is gifted and brilliant...I think the issue is that he knows it.

So you met him once and pronounced judgment?

Understand that people who deal with lots of people, as MacArthur surely does, are going to have a public persona and a private persona. How he deals with people he meets in fleeting encounters is not a good basis for judging someone. I have heard numerous testimonies from people who are actually friends of his, who actually have gotten to know him.

Just me, but I think this a little harsh.

And you make a good point, seeing that he is a great teacher. But, he will tell you himself that his abilities are the result of, not a gift, but hard work. His messages are crafted through hard work, something he has pointed out numerous times in numerous messages. And I think most of us can benefit from that example. There is, I believe, a discernment the Word of God provides all of us.

But, that's just the norm, if you acquire any manner of celebrity, which he has to some extent, you are going to be a target of those opposed to your views. And MacArthur, lol, sets himself in front of the bulls eye often with controversial teaching. But I am glad he does. Someone has to address certain issues.


God bless.
 

Darrell C

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Interesting list. A few names missing I thought --

RC Sproul
Tony Evans
John Piper
Timothy Keller

I love RC Sproul. When it comes to dealing with atheists, it is to RC I direct them, because he is a teacher that examples a logical approach to everything. Every time I listen to him teaching I feel like I'm back at school sitting at a desk, lol.

God bless.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I love RC Sproul. When it comes to dealing with atheists, it is to RC I direct them, because he is a teacher that examples a logical approach to everything. Every time I listen to him teaching I feel like I'm back at school sitting at a desk, lol.

God bless.

Has he convinced you yet to be a Presbyterian & forgo your faulty Baptist ways? :laugh:
 

Darrell C

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Has he convinced you yet to be a Presbyterian & forgo your faulty Baptist ways? :laugh:

I don't advocate or defend a position that "I am a Baptist." I do think that people will be better off attending a Baptist Church, because doctrinally I think that is the closest we are going to get to a sound doctrinal view.

To ridicule Presbyterians is to ridicule a group that has had some great Christian leaders who stood strong on the Word of God. Men like Donald Gray Barnhouse, or D. James Kennedy, for example. And I am sure, if one looked, that one could find a Presbyterian Church with a leader like one of those men.

Or, one could simply drop out.

Me, if I were faced with having to attend a fellowship that didn't believe exactly as I do, or everyone didn't meet the standard presented in Scripture, why I...

...oh wait, I already do that.

And I consider myself one of those people who don't meet the standard presented in Scripture.


God bless.
 

Darrell C

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Has he convinced you yet to be a Presbyterian & forgo your faulty Baptist ways? :laugh:

Oh, and for the record, RC has said he has contemplated starting a new denomination.

And, also for the record, if I were living in Sandford Florida (I think that's where it is), I would without question be a member there.


God bless.
 

Crabtownboy

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That list is really bad. What criteria did they use to determine who ought to be on the list?

They have Carrie Underwood for heaven's sake! Even above Dr. MacArthur at that.

No David Platt?
No R.C Sproul? or Jr?
No John Piper!?
No Al Mohler?

If you had 25 organizations compile a list no two would look the same.

I would like to know how they define "Christian leader"
 

blessedwife318

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It's interesting that LaHaye is in fact ridiculed, but it's by people who are woefully lacking in eschatological understanding.

I would have to say his name on the list is without question justified, because it is not just the Left Behind series he is known for.

Can you name other efforts Lahaye has been involved in?


God bless.
Would over 20 years of studying eschatology make me lacking?
Even people in the same camp as Lehaye have tried to distance themselves from him since the Left Behind series has fallen from popularity.
I think Lahaye may have been in the psychology/marriage book department years before Left Behind but that's all I know about him and again its all very dated so again it makes me wonder about how they cane up with the list and if the numbers actually mean anything.
 

FriendofSpurgeon

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Oh, and for the record, RC has said he has contemplated starting a new denomination.

And, also for the record, if I were living in Sandford Florida (I think that's where it is), I would without question be a member there.


God bless.


If you ever get to Disney, Sanford is about 45 minutes north. I was there last year and heard him preach, as close friends attend there. However, I understand his health is failing and he is not preaching as often these days. Technically, while he and all pastors are members of the PCA, the church is an independent, Reformed church. See website -- www.saintandrewsonline.org.
 

Zenas

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You have met MacArthur and know this to be true?

I have heard a great many of his messages in conferences and on radio and I have never seen this in the man. Nor is this the testimony of those who do know him. So I am curious as to what you base this accusation on?

As far as His name on the study Bible, he is the one that produced it, so I see no reason why his name should not identify it as such. Not any different than attaching the names of teachers to their teaching. Again, this is a great resource. I recommend it to everyone. Better to be in a study Bible than focusing on men's teachings.

MacArthur drew my attention first in regards to the ECT Document (Evangelicals and Catholics together). It was through that discussion that I was made aware of differences in doctrine between the two groups. When I was first saved I never imagined that anyone would have so little reverence for God that they would not make sure their doctrine was sound, lol, and as I grew I learned that there are indeed a number of false teachers among us, some intentional, some not, simply deceived because they feed themselves with doctrinal views of men and theology systems. I have actually had people I know join certain groups before they even knew what they taught. Just decided "That's the group I want to join."

The only questions I would ask is what doctrine that MacArthur holds to do you dislike, and how would you show him, rather than yourself...to be in error? I don't subscribe to everything MacArthur teaches, but as a whole, I would rather direct new believers to him and his teaching than anyone else. A close second might be RC Sproul.

Charismatics and Pentecostals have reason to dislike MacArthur, lol, but they too have a chance to address his doctrinal positions.

As far as "leaving little room for disagreement," I agree. His views are supported through the many cross references which is, in my opinion, the best way to come to an understanding of Scripture. The MacArthur Study Bible is how I learned to compare Scripture with Scripture, which is the only way we should do it. It helps train us into that form of study, at least, I know it did for me. Now I only use the Bible (mostly on BibleGateway) and Strong's Concordance in my studies. I still reference the MacArthur Study Bible when I am looking for cross references sometimes, but this is rare any more.

As far as where I disagree with MacArthur one point would be he believes men have always gone to Heaven, whereas I believe they were consigned to Sheol/Hades until the Cross. That's a big one. He believes men were regenerated under Old Testament Economies, I don't. I think Scripture is clear that this was a promise of the New Covenant and it did not begin until the eternal indwelling of God began when the Comforter came to work that unique ministry He works in the world, and the Church today.

MacArthur's biggest problem, just from my perspective, is his allegiance to reformed theology. This ties his hands on a few doctrines which can otherwise easily be reconciled without the burden of a theology system. In a recent conference, among many notable Reformed Theologians, not one of them could adequately answer the question "Do babies go to Hell?" He gave the best answer and responded that grace is where we look, but I felt it left much unsaid that has to be considered.

But that's just me. I like MacArthur, and wish I lived near his fellowship. I would go. The man has done his homework and that, my friend, is what leaves little room for disagreement. Because of his notoriety and, lol, his penchant for controversial subjects (which engenders animosity among some groups), he is a target for many. But the fact remains he stands as a notable person who is doing quite a bit for the cause of Christ. Few men have reached as many ears as this man has. His ministry is quite extensive. I would think a little bit of the benefit of the doubt might be in order. I don't se him as some, seeking only to profit from his ministry, but a sincere desire to see men saved.

And a desire to confront what he sees as false and damaging doctrine.

Sorry for the length, lol, just wanted to give a few reasons why I, personally, think he should be near the top of the list, if not number one. I didn't read the list, so not sure who might be viewed as more influential. If they include only the living, that is.

I'll tell you another one I think is underrated: Charles Stanley. I use to view him as kind of soft with feel good messages, but the more I listen to him (listen when I am travelling, my job has me driving a lot some days) the more respect I have for his theology. He is the only one I know of that points out the differences of the ministries of the Holy Spirit in the New Covenant as opposed to those in the other Ages...with more than "It was external/temporal and now it's internal/eternal." He actually gets specific about it.

RC Sproul is a great teacher, and while I disagree with some of his views as well, would have no problem directing people to his ministry.

Did I say sorry for the length? lol

Okay, that's it. Didn't mean to ramble on.


God bless.
No, I have not met MacArthur but I have watched and listened to several of his sermons and I am yet to detect a scintilla of humility in him.

You said of him, "But, he will tell you himself that his abilities are the result of, not a gift, but hard work. His messages are crafted through hard work, something he has pointed out numerous times in numerous messages." Apparently he wants to take all the credit for his exceptional work, which it is. If he were a nitwit I would not oppose him.

However, I will concede that I would still like him if I agreed with him. His position on the ECT Document is one point of strong difference I have with him. Another is the more recent Manhattan Declaration, which he also refused to sign. It almost seems like he takes the position that if you don't agree with his view of the gospel he won't work with you. "Let the world go to hell in a hand basket but I am doctrinally correct in my position." (not his words but clearly his implications).

You also mentioned several points of disagreement with MacArthur and I agree with your position on all of these.
 

RLBosley

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If you had 25 organizations compile a list no two would look the same.

I would like to know how they define "Christian leader"

I'm aware of that, but that's not my point. My point is that they put a singer who claims to be Christian but does nothing for the faith (except maybe bring reproach) while they leave off some of the men who have been the most influential Christians in recent American history.
 

Zenas

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I'm aware of that, but that's not my point. My point is that they put a singer who claims to be Christian but does nothing for the faith (except maybe bring reproach) while they leave off some of the men who have been the most influential Christians in recent American history.
I see your point but that doesn't seem to be the point of the list, which includes a number of Catholics and at least one Mormon. I'm sure they are highly influential among the people who follow what they say and do. That being said, I don't see how they included Richard Land and left out Al Mohler.
 

OldRegular

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This is an interesting list with some real surprises. It seems to be broader than just ministers and evangelists, although all the well known ones are on it. One big surprise to me was how far down the list they put John MacArthur although I wish he weren't on it at all. What do you think? About the list, that is, not necessarily John MacArthur.
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/newsmax-top-100-christian/2015/04/20/id/639492/

There are many names that should not be there particularly.

2. Joel Osteen, a Word of Faith heretic

18. Victoria Osteen, wife of Joel and also a heretic

And your problem with John MacArthur given some of the other people is puzzling!
 

OldRegular

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It's interesting that LaHaye is in fact ridiculed, but it's by people who are woefully lacking in eschatological understanding.

I would have to say his name on the list is without question justified, because it is not just the Left Behind series he is known for.

Can you name other efforts Lahaye has been involved in?


God bless.

LaHaye certainly doesn't give "eschatological understanding" rather he causes eschatological confusion. His fictitious series "left Behind" were and are an abomination! But he made lots of money, money!
 

Zenas

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There are many names that should not be there particularly.

2. Joel Osteen, a Word of Faith heretic

18. Victoria Osteen, wife of Joel and also a heretic

And your problem with John MacArthur given some of the other people is puzzling!
Influence, OR, we're talking about who is the most influential, not who you wish had the most influence or who you think ought to have the most influence. I don't like the Osteens any more than you but they have the biggest TV audience of anyone in the Christian TV business. And if you go back and read my post you will see that I said John MacArthur ought to have a higher ranking even though I wish he weren't even on the list. I'm not a fan of John MacArthur but I recognize he has great influence.
 

OldRegular

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Influence, OR, we're talking about who is the most influential, not who you wish had the most influence or who you think ought to have the most influence. I don't like the Osteens any more than you but they have the biggest TV audience of anyone in the Christian TV business. And if you go back and read my post you will see that I said John MacArthur ought to have a higher ranking even though I wish he weren't even on the list. I'm not a fan of John MacArthur but I recognize he has great influence.

It was talking about influential Christians!

The only thing wrong with John MacArthur is his dispensationalism!
 

Darrell C

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No, I have not met MacArthur but I have watched and listened to several of his sermons and I am yet to detect a scintilla of humility in him.

Which is probably do to...

However, I will concede that I would still like him if I agreed with him.


It's natural to dislike those whose doctrine we are in conflict with.

But it is the mind of Christ to stand firm in doctrine without letting emotion get involved.

You said of him, "But, he will tell you himself that his abilities are the result of, not a gift, but hard work. His messages are crafted through hard work, something he has pointed out numerous times in numerous messages." Apparently he wants to take all the credit for his exceptional work, which it is. If he were a nitwit I would not oppose him.

His point was in contrast to those who go to the other extreme, which is "God told me."

He is also very adept at teaching others how to study. There are basic principles we follow in study which some forego in favor of presenting their views as "God-given," whether they align with Scripture or not.

However, I will concede that I would still like him if I agreed with him.

So what is the basis of the disagreement. Can you say that you can present a Biblical presentation for why you are right and he is wrong?

And does your denomination demand that you don't like him? Do the doctrinal position you take demand that he be rejected because of doctrinal difference?

His position on the ECT Document is one point of strong difference I have with him. Another is the more recent Manhattan Declaration, which he also refused to sign. It almost seems like he takes the position that if you don't agree with his view of the gospel he won't work with you. "Let the world go to hell in a hand basket but I am doctrinally correct in my position." (not his words but clearly his implications).

Then we also would be in disagreement. I do not, for example, see that we can declare to the world that we are okay with core doctrinal issues being relegated to a category of indifference.

Your assessment of him having a "Let the world go to Hell in a hand-basket" cannot hardly be justified considering the effort he has gone through in seeking to avoid that very thing. You could consider him simply to be seeking to make money, but, again, that would be an uncharitable assumption on your part.

I don't know, I don't see it. I see someone who not only sincerely has a burden for the lost and for teaching people sound doctrine, but has fruit that evidences that love for the lost.

You also mentioned several points of disagreement with MacArthur and I agree with your position on all of these.

I don't think any of us are going to agree on everything, lol. These forums would be a boring place if that were the case, lol.

But that is why we come, isn't it? I am sure you are just as energized by discussing the Word of God as I am. I think there are believers who have been gifted in areas of the Word, and many on the forums are that very member of the Body of Christ. Of course we are going to disagree, and sometimes that disagreement is going to about issues which bring division, but, I am confident that the Word of God can settle these issues.

The question is just how honest are we going to be with God and His Word, with ourselves and others.

I am not saying everyone should embrace MacArthur's views, but, I do see that he has been a notable figure that has made an impact on Christians all over the world. I still say, despite denomination, a MacArthur Study Bible is one of the most valuable resources any Bible Student will ever own. It is not just about the doctrinal views presented, but it actually helps us learn to study in a manner that I feel is necessary, comparing Scripture with Scripture.

God bless.
 
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