Top Ten Reasons Why Men Should Not Be Ordained

[Nazaroo]

The Scriptures clearly teach that men are to be set apart unto the ministry by the congregation and its elders. However, that setting apart includes evaluation of their qualifications or fitness to take that position of leadership in the congregation (1 Tim. 3:1-13; Titus 1). The congregation is involved in the selection and qualifying of such men (Acts 6). The elders are involved with the public setting apart of those approved by the congregation by the laying on of their hands. This process is called ordaining. Jesus chose out twelve MEN and "ordained" them to be apostles. Jesus is still calling and setting apart men through the congregation (Acts 13:1-3).

So "ordain" isn't in the Bible is it?
Is it like the trinity then?

 

[Alive in Christ]

Dr Walter...

have you ever had any training in hermeneutics? Obviously not, as what you presented violated the very basics of hermeneutics. Every cult and every false teacher existing applies the very same tactics used in your articles and that is why we have the confusion we do today.

I listed the very eisgetical tactics that you would use and that is exactly what you did:


1. He was a woman hater
2. He was merely providing temporary advice wisdom to deal with a male dominated culture
3. He was not inspired
4. Examples in scripture trump precepts in scripture
5. He was not speaking for God but only for himself
6. etc., etc.,

These great scholars violate very simple rules of hermeneutics.

1. They ignore the contextual reasons given by the writer
2. They pit contrary examples against precepts
3. They take from contexts where women can instruct other women and children
4. They take from contexts of male rebellion against God and make the use of women in leadership positions the standard instead of the exception.
5. They read congregational settings into contexts where none exist
6. They read inferences contrary to precept and positive examples.

You did not provide anything that can honestly be called "truth." What you presented was the consequences of faulty hermeneutics and thus ERROR!

Oh great. Now he is flaunting his knowlege of fancy dancy theological terms. :tonofbricks:

Dr Walter, I have no idea what (((hermeneutics))) is.

The only "Hermann " I know is the pastor of my church. :godisgood:

Dr Walter, this is not called a "hermeneutic" board, its called a discussion board, I have done just fine..for several years now.. discussing on this discussion board, without consulting "brother Hermann".

I have no problem whatesoever getting my point across without using hermeneutics, or any other fancy dancy theological "what-ever-they-are's".

I appreciate your concern, but I'm fine with my postings on here.

What I have posted on here lately, mostly "copy and paste" reflects what I believe is the truth regarding this issue.

I believe that you and others are in great error, but I hope that sometime soon you guys will come to see the truth of the scriptures, regarding this very important issue...in due time.

God bless.

 

[DHK]

Dr Walter...



Oh great. Now he is flaunting his knowlege of fancy dancy theological terms. :tonofbricks:

Dr Walter, I have no idea what (((hermeneutics))) is.

The only "Hermann " I know is the pastor of my church. :godisgood:

Dr Walter, this is not called a "hermeneutic" board, its called a discussion board, I have done just fine..for several years now.. discussing on this discussion board, without consulting "brother Hermann".

I have no problem whatesoever getting my point across without using hermeneutics, or any other fancy dancy theological "what-ever-they-are's".

I appreciate your concern, but I'm fine with my postings on here.

What I have posted on here lately, mostly "copy and paste" reflects what I believe is the truth regarding this issue.

I believe that you and others are in great error, but I hope that sometime soon you guys will come to see the truth of the scriptures, regarding this very important issue...in due time.

God bless.

I see your post as tantamount to ridiculing God's Word. It is shameful, and does not honor God. You mock hermeneutics (the science of properly interpreting God's Holy Word), thus giving everyone here the impression that you have no regard for the Scriptures at all. Your ideas are more important than what the Bible says--is what you wrote in your post.

Before you answer a post think about what your saying. If you are ignorant about theological or Biblical terms then look them up in a dictionary or humbly as what they mean. This arrogant post is totally uncalled for.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Annsni...

I do want to say that I hope your finger heals quickly! I've broken two fingers and it's terrible how much those hurt and affect your daily life!

Tell me about it~! Whew...I'll be glad when its healed.

However, I do believe that you are completely wrong that you are presenting the truth.

I know you do. :wavey:

You are presenting modern age interpretations of Scripture and not one that is orthodox to the church through the ages.

Thats true to an extent, but its important to note that nobody is putting down the scriptures, or changing them or denigrating them or dismissing them in any way.

We believe that we are high-lighting truth that has been there all the time, but due to erroneous traditions, and doctrines if men superceeding the truth of the scriptures and thus perpetuated great error.

Yes, women have a GREAT role in the life of the church in teaching and leading but that must be in the boundaries of Scripture.

The problem, though is that some of those bounderies just might be illegimate. We may have been reading them wrong, for a long long time.

Example: Both Pricilla and Junius were teachers of men...teaching men doctrine.

God bless

 

[Alive in Christ]

It is interesting that in ancient Celtic Christianity there was no gender discrimination in the ministry as there was in the development of the Catholic Church.

Good for them! (those Celtic christians)

Makes me even more proud to be of Celtic descent

 

[Dr. Walter]

So "ordain" isn't in the Bible is it?
Is it like the trinity then?

The term "ordained" in reference to church offices is found in the New Testament several times

Mr 3:14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

Ac 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

Ac 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

The ordination of men through the churches is clearly seen in Acts 6; 13:1-4 and there are qualifications given to prequalify those who would desire office and claim that calling (1 Tim. 3:1-13; Tit. 1).

God calls a man to the ministry but He does it through his churches (Acts 6:1-6; 13:1-4; 14:23 as it is the responsibility of the churches to examine those who claim to be called by God to see if they meet God's qualifications. Those who do meet those qualifications are recommended to the elders for the laying on of hands:

Acts 6: 3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:
6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them.