Total depravity or total inability?

[Brightfame52]

Now if this is the Gospel of Grace that you mean than I agree with this

You reject the Gospel of God's Grace and believe a gospel of man

 

[Dave...]

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This should go without saying. The context is pretty obvious. Likewise goes the rest.

TOTAL DEPRAVITY Proof-Text DISMANTLED In 10 MINUTES | Dr. Leighton Flowers | Soteriology 101

 

[Silverhair]

Tulip is the Gospel and so is total inability of man by nature

Once again you have gone of track BF. You think calvinism is the standard rather than the word of God.

 

[Silverhair]

You reject the Gospel of God's Grace and believe a gospel of man

I told you what I believe but you have yet to tell us what you think the Gospel of Grace is.

How can you expect someone to believe what you think when you cannot or will not even say what you think it is.

 

[Brightfame52]

Once again you have gone of track BF. You think calvinism is the standard rather than the word of God.

Calvinism TULIP is the Gospel, no way around it

 

[Brightfame52]

I told you what I believe but you have yet to tell us what you think the Gospel of Grace is.

The Truths of TULIP are the Gospel of Gods grace, I have told you that many many times

 

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[Silverhair]

Calvinism TULIP is the Gospel, no way around it

Then you hold to another gospel not the gospel of the bible BF.

You are not holding to the true gospel but a man-made version that is really no gospel.

 

[Silverhair]

The Truths of TULIP are the Gospel of Gods grace, I have told you that many many times

You have been mislead BF. The TULIP is NOT biblical but is a man-made distortion of the word God.

 

[Van]

Van

Arminians believe in prevenient grace. Though, I believe that you're framing it wrong in your mind. It's not that prevenient grace ensures one will be saved, as you believe, rather, it's that it actually allows them to to make the choice. Arminians believe that prevenient grace can be rejected. I believe that's the point of contention and why people are claiming that you'd have to also be a universalist based on your understanding of God's drawing people.

Matthew 13:19. What was sown into this persons heart that the devil can snatch away, if not the intellectual understanding?

The light, as Jesus is, as God is, as believers are called to be, has one of two reactions. A person will be drawn to it or want to put it out, to suppress it and what it represents. The light is the truth. Everyone sees the light, but some want to suppress that truth in unrighteousness. You can't suppress it if you don't understand it and what it represents.

One element that is missing in your equation, is that maybe, at least in many cases, judicial hardening is an act of mercy. It doesn't work out for everyone the same, as some, like the alcoholic, never bottom out and take that disease, as they call it, to their grave. Everyone sees the light and knows what it represents. Some want to suppress it, as they are still holding onto the lies of the world, still suppressing the truth. These will do almost anything to put that light out. It's the basis for our being persecuted. A light doesn't hide under the table, right?

It isn't until one bottoms out in their sin that they stop gnashing their teeth at the light and are drawn to it. They actually want the truth. So in hardening one judicially, I believe that for many, God is actually trying to get them to a point that they let go of the lies of the world and stop suppressing the truth, and actually need and seek it Him and His mercy. It's only then that they are ready to hear and receive the Gospel.

God hardened Israel to provoke them to jealousy. It's tough love, Van.

You are wasting my time. I say enabling grace, either irresistible grace or prevenient grace, is a fiction and you say I believe prevenient grace "ensures" one will be saved. Goodbye

 

[Brightfame52]

Then you hold to another gospel not the gospel of the bible BF.

Tulip is the Gospel and you call it another gospel

 

[Brightfame52]

The TULIP is NOT biblical

Very biblical

 

[Silverhair]

Tulip is the Gospel and you call it another gospel

That is because it is.

 

[Silverhair]

Very biblical

Sorry BF you are wrong.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Total Depravity does not mean that non-Christians are as depraved as they can possibly be. It means that every part of man is depraved to some degree (Isaiah 1:4-6; Matt. 7:11).
Total Inability, if it is the suggestion that non-Christians are physically incapable of repenting and believing, is not a doctrine I believe. Rather, people are morally incapable; it's not that they cannot come, but that they will not (John 3:19; 5:40).

 

[Brightfame52]

That is because it is.

You will eventually find out how wrong you are.

 

[Brightfame52]

Total Depravity does not mean that non-Christians are as depraved as they can possibly be. It means that every part of man is depraved to some degree (Isaiah 1:4-6; Matt. 7:11).

Yet they are 100% dead to God and under the dominion of sin.

Rather, people are morally incapable; it's not that they cannot come, but that they will not (John 3:19; 5:40)

And cannot come Jn 6:44, 65 which is the reason they will not.

 

[Silverhair]

You will eventually find out how wrong you are.

Well one of us will anyway.

 

[Piper 2]

That is because it is.

Naaaaah. Tulip is all true.

 

[Silverhair]

Naaaaah. Tulip is all true.

If I recall you say you have a theological degree. So it surprises me that you would think the TULIP is true.

But if you lean toward calvinism as I would suspect you do then I can see why you support that errant view.