Totalitarianism

[JonC]

And as little as I liked much of the path we have been on I strongly believe the path chosen in this election is a, in the long run, a far worse path. Diverting from one path to another does not mean it is a better path. I believe as time goes by people who voted for him will wake to the fact that the current administration does not have their interest at heart and that they will suffer greatly from this choice.

History has clearly shown that leaders of nations who are narcissistic and totalitarian do not do much for the average citizen of their country ... regardless of what was promised.

Look at the promises of Lenin and see what Russia got.
Look at the promises of Mao and see what China got.
Look at the promises of Mugabe and see what Zimbabwe got.
Look at the promises of Ami and see what Uganda got.
Look at the promises of Hussein and see what Iraq got.

These are simply examples an are certainly not an exhaustive list.

Time will tell.

Yes, time will tell. I'm not thrilled about the path we are on anymore than I was thrilled about the one we just stepped off. I don't think the evil we knew and embraced any less dangerous than the one we don't see (which is why I speak of platforms instead of end result). At a minimum, we know Trump is no more narcissistic and totalitarian than Oba,a and Clinton.

We could add to the list "Look at the promises of Obama and see what we got". But only time will tell of the current administration.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, time will tell. I'm not thrilled about the path we are on anymore than I was thrilled about the one we just stepped off. I don't think the evil we knew and embraced any less dangerous than the one we don't see (which is why I speak of platforms instead of end result). At a minimum, we know Trump is no more narcissistic and totalitarian than Oba,a and Clinton.

We could add to the list "Look at the promises of Obama and see what we got". But only time will tell of the current administration.

Think that trump will NOT though go as far left as Obama did, into abortions, gay marriages, defending islam , socialist economy etc!

 

[Crabtownboy]

Think that trump will NOT though go as far left as Obama did, into abortions, gay marriages, defending islam , socialist economy etc!

He may go so far right that it will make no difference. It may be worse. More likely is he will complete the destruction of the middle-class and add millions to the poor.

 

[JonC]

Think that trump will NOT though go as far left as Obama did, into abortions, gay marriages, defending islam , socialist economy etc!

But the question is who. Who is to oppose these worldly evils, how, and in what context?

 

[just-want-peace]

Why didn't he do these things in the years 2009-2010 when the Dems controlled all three branches? Nothing the Reps could have done to stop him. In fact, he got the stimulus bill passed with only one Republican vote and he got ObamaCare passed with no Republican votes. Why didn't he pass tax increases? Why didn't he close Gitmo? Why didn't he do a bunch of stuff he could have done?

BINGO!!!!

 

[just-want-peace]

The division, hate, and bigotry that you are now attributing to President Trump is the same division, hate, and bigotry that you've always spoken of on this forum. It is the same thing that you accused others of creating against BLM, against President Obama, and against the Obama administration. It is the same division, hate, and bigotry that you've accused those who opposed illegal immigration of holding. It is the same division, hate, and bigotry that you've accused of the political "pro-life agenda". It is the same division, hate, and bigotry that you see in law enforcement, and in businesses.

When I was taking psychology and working in the mental health field, one of the points that was driven home was to be observant. When a person accuses a multitude of people they oppose of certain negative attributes it is typically projection. They see division, hate, and bigotry under every rock because it is one of their own defining traits, although perhaps they are unaware. I'm not saying this is you, but I am saying you've been crediting everyone who does not hold your agenda as divisive, hateful bigots. Having read this for so long, please understand why it is so easily dismissed now.

This one rates MULTIPLE "WINNER"S

 

[FollowTheWay]

Looking at what President Obama did accomplish, who can blame the Republican Congress? Maybe those unrealized plans would have been great for our country. But it is only logical to judge the man by his fruit, not his promises.

It's fact that the Republican Congress blocked Obama's proposals. Those Congresses are rated the worst in American history.

 

[FollowTheWay]

BINGO!!!!

Ever heard about the filibuster? The majority did not rule because of this device.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Liberals only need good intentions. It doesn't matter what, or even if, they do anything. Just wanting to do something is good enough.

Obama gave health care to tens of millions of needy people who are now in danger of losing it because the GOP wants tax cuts for the wealthy. BTW, I no longer identify as a political liberal. I'm a Christian following Jesus.

Mat 25:40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Mat 19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Refute the words of Jesus not mine. he's my Lord and I try to live up to his perfect example.

 

[Don]

Then Trump has already failed miserably. He has created division, hate and bigotry during his campaign and is continuing during his term in office. He fits the description in the OP perfectly.

Trump didn't create those things. Is your memory so poor that you don't remember Trayvon and Black Lives Matter started before Trump's campaign?

Trump's campaign merely put a bigger spotlight on a situation that was painfully brought to the surface during Obama's presidency. Neither Obama nor Trump are to blame for it; unless you just wanna blame someone....

 

[Don]

Obama gave health care to tens of millions of needy people who are now in danger of losing it because the GOP wants tax cuts for the wealthy. BTW, I no longer identify as a political liberal. I'm a Christian following Jesus.

Mat 25:40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Mat 19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Refute the words of Jesus not mine. he's my Lord and I try to live up to his perfect example.

I'd actually like to see the stats of those who have health care now, that didn't before; vice those that don't have health insurance because they can no longer afford it; vice those that are still willing to pay the tax penalty rather than pay for the health insurance.

 

[Yeshua1]

But the question is who. Who is to oppose these worldly evils, how, and in what context?

Define worldly evils, as to me, Isis is #1 on that list!

 

[Yeshua1]

I'd actually like to see the stats of those who have health care now, that didn't before; vice those that don't have health insurance because they can no longer afford it; vice those that are still willing to pay the tax penalty rather than pay for the health insurance.

That 20 Million not having insurance has many in it who are younger and chose not to have it, and others are already covered by their own state funds!

 

[Yeshua1]

Obama gave health care to tens of millions of needy people who are now in danger of losing it because the GOP wants tax cuts for the wealthy. BTW, I no longer identify as a political liberal. I'm a Christian following Jesus.

Mat 25:40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Mat 19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Refute the words of Jesus not mine. he's my Lord and I try to live up to his perfect example.

You do know that health insurance is not a constitional right, correct?

 

[Yeshua1]

He may go so far right that it will make no difference. It may be worse. More likely is he will complete the destruction of the middle-class and add millions to the poor.

You mean finish what Obama really strated, especially among middle Class Blacks?

 

[InTheLight]

Obama gave health care to tens of millions of needy people who are now in danger of losing it because the GOP wants tax cuts for the wealthy.

Hey, thanks for bringing this up.

Good intention: Affordable health insurance for all.

Result: ObamaCare. People losing their plans for mandated government plans. Lousy health care plans with high deductibles. Skyrocketing monthly premiums. Insurance companies backing out of the exchanges. Businesses limiting jobs to less than 30 hours a week to avoid the mandate, creating a part time working economy. People needing to work two jobs. Small businesses keeping full time employees under 50 workers to avoid the mandate.

Liberals: Never mind the result. We had good intentions.

 

[Yeshua1]

Hey, thanks for bringing this up.

Good intention: Affordable health insurance for all.

Result: ObamaCare. People losing their plans for mandated government plans. Lousy health care plans with high deductibles. Skyrocketing monthly premiums. Insurance companies backing out of the exchanges. Businesses limiting jobs to less than 30 hours a week to avoid the mandate, creating a part time working economy. People needing to work two jobs. Small businesses keeping full time employees under 50 workers to avoid the mandate.

Liberals: Never mind the result. We had good intentions.

And the kicker is that many of those people still refused to buy insurance and just paid the penalty!
Would have been far better to have allowed for purchases across state lines and tweaked existing health care!

 

[FollowTheWay]

Hey, thanks for bringing this up.

Good intention: Affordable health insurance for all.

Result: ObamaCare. People losing their plans for mandated government plans. Lousy health care plans with high deductibles. Skyrocketing monthly premiums. Insurance companies backing out of the exchanges. Businesses limiting jobs to less than 30 hours a week to avoid the mandate, creating a part time working economy. People needing to work two jobs. Small businesses keeping full time employees under 50 workers to avoid the mandate.

Liberals: Never mind the result. We had good intentions.

You're characterization of Obamacare is not accurate. I have two friends who would have died if that bill hadn't been enacted. They both used to be millionaires but were devastated by catastrophic medical issues and were cut off from their company provided insurance (the REAL death panels). My brother has 3 Master's degrees (MS Econ, MBA, and MDIV). he gave up a lucrative career as a corporate financial analyst when he felt the call to the ministry and entered the SBS at age 42. He pastored a small church in a poor neighborhood which barely paid him a salary and gave him no insurance. The SBC refused to even let him into a group policy. For 15 YEARS he had no health insurance because both of us have a pre-existing condition. He finally got health insurance under Obamacare. You throw around characterizations about Obamacare. Do you actually know anyone on it?

 

[FollowTheWay]

You do know that health insurance is not a constitional right, correct?

As I've said here previously, I no longer consider my self to be liberal politically. I've realized that my beliefs result from my faith. If your faith tells you to not provide medical care to the needy but rather increase spending for meaningless wars that's between you and God.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I'd actually like to see the stats of those who have health care now, that didn't before; vice those that don't have health insurance because they can no longer afford it; vice those that are still willing to pay the tax penalty rather than pay for the health insurance.

That's pertinent. Why don't you provide us with that?