Totalitarianism

[JonC]

It's fact that the Republican Congress blocked Obama's proposals. Those Congresses are rated the worst in American history.

Yes, and as time progresses I believe we will see more and more negative ratings for anything and anyone who stands in the way of progressive humanism. This is why I believe this administration is a pause, a temporary reprieve (even if it proves also in the wrong direction) in our movement towards depravity. I believe the Democrat agenda will resume in the near future, with even more force and evil than under President Obama. And I think that this is God giving men over to depraved minds. I don't know if you realize it, but there are Christians who genuinely do not see an issue with the Democrat platform.

 

[Don]

That's pertinent. Why don't you provide us with that?

You're the one that brought it up; why don't you?

 

[Yeshua1]

You're characterization of Obamacare is not accurate. I have two friends who would have died if that bill hadn't been enacted. They both used to be millionaires but were devastated by catastrophic medical issues and were cut off from their company provided insurance (the REAL death panels). My brother has 3 Master's degrees (MS Econ, MBA, and MDIV). he gave up a lucrative career as a corporate financial analyst when he felt the call to the ministry and entered the SBS at age 42. He pastored a small church in a poor neighborhood which barely paid him a salary and gave him no insurance. The SBC refused to even let him into a group policy. For 15 YEARS he had no health insurance because both of us have a pre-existing condition. He finally got health insurance under Obamacare. You throw around characterizations about Obamacare. Do you actually know anyone on it?

There were a few helped by it, but the majority of us were really hurt financially by it!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, and as time progresses I believe we will see more and more negative ratings for anything and anyone who stands in the way of progressive humanism. This is why I believe this administration is a pause, a temporary reprieve (even if it proves also in the wrong direction) in our movement towards depravity. I believe the Democrat agenda will resume in the near future, with even more force and evil than under President Obama. And I think that this is God giving men over to depraved minds. I don't know if you realize it, but there are Christians who genuinely do not see an issue with the Democrat platform.

They did not block too much of his programs, as he got pretty much all he wanted!

 

[Yeshua1]

As I've said here previously, I no longer consider my self to be liberal politically. I've realized that my beliefs result from my faith. If your faith tells you to not provide medical care to the needy but rather increase spending for meaningless wars that's between you and God.

Provide for the truly needy by private insurance and by charity and churches, NOT by using wasteful bloated govt program whose main goal is to socialize big brother!

And is fighting isalmic terrorism a meaningless war?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Provide for the truly needy by private insurance and by charity and churches, NOT by using wasteful bloated govt program whose main goal is to socialize big brother!

And is fighting isalmic terrorism a meaningless war?

Obamacare is based on using private insurance. The health care program Romney instituted in MA was single payer meaning government provided. The wars in Afghanistan only made things worse by stirring up the hatred of radical Islamic terrorists (not all Muslims) against the invading country, America. Bush said in 2007 he was no longer interested in capturing bin Laden. The whole objective of both wars was for the U.S. to capture and control Iraq as a strategic country in the Middle East. ISIS was born out of Bush's Iraq war. These wars were worse than meaningless. They caused a worsening of the situation..

 

[FollowTheWay]

There were a few helped by it, but the majority of us were really hurt financially by it!

Any proof for that statement? Again, do you personally know anyone on Obamacare?

 

[FollowTheWay]

They did not block too much of his programs, as he got pretty much all he wanted!

Proof?

 

[Yeshua1]

Proof?

Pased Obamcare, got all of his choices for secretaries, Supreme Court, for his programs etc!

 

[Yeshua1]

Any proof for that statement? Again, do you personally know anyone on Obamacare?

Yes, they got less coverage, and co pays from 1000 to 6000 a year!
And monthly bill 200 more, asObama care really hurt those who had good company coverage, as many companies switched off to it instead!

 

[FollowTheWay]

Yes, and as time progresses I believe we will see more and more negative ratings for anything and anyone who stands in the way of progressive humanism. This is why I believe this administration is a pause, a temporary reprieve (even if it proves also in the wrong direction) in our movement towards depravity. I believe the Democrat agenda will resume in the near future, with even more force and evil than under President Obama. And I think that this is God giving men over to depraved minds. I don't know if you realize it, but there are Christians who genuinely do not see an issue with the Democrat platform.

With Trump I believe we've hit the bottom and I don't know whether America can survive under his "leadership" and that of the hateful people he's brought in who have no background or experience in the areas they now lead.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Pased Obamcare, got all of his choices for secretaries, Supreme Court, for his programs etc!

Supreme court? Where were you for the almost year that the GOP refused to even examine Obama's choice to replace Justice Scalia in contempt of their mandate by the U.S. Constitution?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Obama did somehow manage to get Obamacare passed

Supreme court? Where were you for the almost year that the GOP refused to even examine Obama's choice to replace Justice Scalia in contempt of their mandate by the U.S. Constitution?

If Republicans take the House as anticipated on election night, voters can expect to hear the customary talk about coming together with Democrats for the good of the country.

President Barack Obama inevitably will extend a hand across the aisle as well.

But that’s Tuesday. Right now, the tone is a lot different — with Republicans pledging to embrace an agenda for the next two years that sounds a lot like their agenda for the past two: Block Obama at all costs.

http://tinyurl.com/zut5c69

 

[JonC]

With Trump I believe we've hit the bottom and I don't know whether America can survive under his "leadership" and that of the hateful people he's brought in who have no background or experience in the areas they now lead.

I agree that had we not hit "bottom" under the past administration that Donald Trump may not have won the election. Each election is, to a great extent, determined by the failures of the previous administration. And the Obama administration has taken our nation to a low point unseen in the history of our nation (in terms of immorality and wickedness).

That said, I don't see President Trump as going in a direction any more dangerous than President Obama (or Hillary Clinton). I am not convinced we will end up the better by any means, but I am certain that the Democrat agenda would end in depravity (Scripture affirms this and I am not one to compartmentalize my faith). But I do believe that had we not hit bottom (what is, for now, the bottom....I think there is more to go after this administration.

So I agree the Democrats have taken our nation to the bottom (morally speaking). But it is a false bottom. Either we will stay here for a short time or the bottom will fall out and we will continue the decline. I believe we will continue the decline, not because of President Trump's administration but because one evil has been stayed for a time. In other words, I believe that we are experiencing a "think about what you are doing" moment as a pause right before we continue forward on a progressive humanistic path.

 

[Yeshua1]

Supreme court? Where were you for the almost year that the GOP refused to even examine Obama's choice to replace Justice Scalia in contempt of their mandate by the U.S. Constitution?

That was known to be dead in the water, as nearly any President trying to do that would have that nominee held up until election over!

 

[FollowTheWay]

Obama did somehow manage to get Obamacare passed

If Republicans take the House as anticipated on election night, voters can expect to hear the customary talk about coming together with Democrats for the good of the country.

President Barack Obama inevitably will extend a hand across the aisle as well.

But that’s Tuesday. Right now, the tone is a lot different — with Republicans pledging to embrace an agenda for the next two years that sounds a lot like their agenda for the past two: Block Obama at all costs.

http://tinyurl.com/zut5c69

Grunwald has Joe Biden on the record making a striking charge. Biden says that during the transition, a number of Republican Senators privately confided to him that Mitch McConnell had given them the directive that there was to be no cooperation with the new administration — because he had decided that “we can’t let you succeed.” ...

http://tinyurl.com/q4gu8xl

 

[Yeshua1]

I agree that had we not hit "bottom" under the past administration that Donald Trump may not have won the election. Each election is, to a great extent, determined by the failures of the previous administration. And the Obama administration has taken our nation to a low point unseen in the history of our nation (in terms of immorality and wickedness).

That said, I don't see President Trump as going in a direction any more dangerous than President Obama (or Hillary Clinton). I am not convinced we will end up the better by any means, but I am certain that the Democrat agenda would end in depravity (Scripture affirms this and I am not one to compartmentalize my faith). But I do believe that had we not hit bottom (what is, for now, the bottom....I think there is more to go after this administration.

So I agree the Democrats have taken our nation to the bottom (morally speaking). But it is a false bottom. Either we will stay here for a short time or the bottom will fall out and we will continue the decline. I believe we will continue the decline, not because of President Trump's administration but because one evil has been stayed for a time. In other words, I believe that we are experiencing a "think about what you are doing" moment as a pause right before we continue forward on a progressive humanistic path.

Think that president trump, for all of his faults, will back a more pro Christian/Biblical administration than president Obama did!

 

[FollowTheWay]

That was known to be dead in the water, as nearly any President trying to do that would have that nominee held up until election over!

This was the longest time in history that a Supreme Court nominee was blocked from getting a hearing. It has resulted in a deadlocked 8 member Supreme Court (for over a year now) carrying on the Republican tradition in Congress of doing nothing.

 

[JonC]

Think that president trump, for all of his faults, will back a more pro Christian/Biblical administration than president Obama did!

He couldn't be less.

I think perhaps the tide was stayed, judgment adverted for a time. I really do believe that this is temporary. For one, President Trump does not seem to hold those "pro Christian" agendas because they are Christian. While President Obama and Hillary Clinton were openly hostile to Christ, we really cannot say that President Trump is less so as a person.

 

[Yeshua1]

This was the longest time in history that a Supreme Court nominee was blocked from getting a hearing. It has resulted in a deadlocked 8 member Supreme Court (for over a year now) carrying on the Republican tradition in Congress of doing nothing.

Far better to have nothing done than the chaos caused by doing things such as Obama Care!