How can you justify Biblically being against these?
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Totalitarianism
- Thread starter Crabtownboy
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The Democrats are not the real evil. Just like Christ, I believe the real evil is the hypocrites. I see more of them as being "evangelical Christian" Republicans.
You're talking about people that were previously uninsured? I don't think so.
So you interpret Christ's words against hypocrisy to condone sin as long as you are honest about it?
No. As Paul said in Romans:
[Rom 5:19-21 KJV] 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
[Rom 6:1-4 KJV] 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
You wouldn't consider it chaos if you were one of the millions of people who were able to get insurance for the first time. Consider living without medical insurance. Not only does this increase your anxiety and feeling of helplessness but one major medical problem can make you lose your house and bankrupt you.
On this I agree wholeheartedly!!!!!
I stated my view on that before and believe that it is entirely consistent with my faith.
I did the calculation. I think it came out that every Christian church in America would have to contribute $200,000 to meet the need. Some churches could do that but not most. Why waste more money on the already bloated military budget? Why not spend it to help the needy?
I agree with those objectives. I am not sure why you used to consider them as "liberal" as this goal is not limited to one party or group. The difference is how that goal is achieved.
What I oppose is seeking to achieve those objectives via any means. We are called to "be Christ" to the world (not just to tell people of the love of God but to love people with the love of God). But we are called to do this "kingdom work" through kingdom means.
The Democrat Party is Progressive Humanism, which focuses on helping the poor, fighting inequality, discrimination, hate,and unnecessary wars (admirable goals). The slogan is "good without a god". I am not saying that they are not trying to do good (they are). Perhaps this is why they are such a dangerous evil. They strive to do "good without a god". We are responsible for what we support, not only in politics but in everything.
I am not a Republican for similar reasons. While their platform is not directly immoral, I believe that the goal (those "liberal objectives", as you put it) cannot be reached through political means. My ties are to Christ. As a Christian I cannot support immorality. I cannot be "for Christ" and "against Christ" at the same time. I do not believe we, as Christians, need to strive to do "good without a god".
And by denying right to life for babies, and for having support for life styles abomination to God then?
I said I didn't consider them to be liberal as most here argue but rather Christian values.
I do not know most here argue that caring for the poor, fighting inequality, discrimination, hate and unnecessary wars are liberal values. You are right that these are Christian values, not liberal ones.
In terms of progressive humanism (the Democrat Platform) these "Christian values" are goals that will prove unrealized through their agenda because they strive to reach these goals through ungodliness. I suspect that the same will prove true of the Republican Party simply because truly caring for the poor, truly fighting inequality, truly opposing discrimination and hate, and truly standing against unnecessary wars extends beyond political agenda and can only be realized through kingdom means and through the Body of Christ and reconciliation in Christ.
What I oppose is not those Christian values but an evil that has claimed those values as a facade while promoting sinfulness, praising iniquity, and driving men deeper into bondage and slavery. This is obviously representative of the Democrat Party, but I am not so sure that it is not also telling of the Republican Party if you were to scratch the surface.
We (as a whole) need to exercise more caution when yoking our churches to any political party.