Trail Life or Boy Scouts

[Salty]

As of 1 Jan 14, hom0sexual boys will be permitted to join the BSA.

Many do not believe this upholds the high moral standards of the BSA of the past.

Will you consider the Trail Life Program?

Fifteen years ago, the Americian Heritage Girls , was formed.

 

[Zaac]

As of 1 Jan 14, hom0sexual boys will be permitted to join the BSA.

Many do not believe this upholds the high moral standards of the BSA of the past.

Will you consider the Trail Life Program?

Fifteen years ago, the Americian Heritage Girls , was formed.

The answer of the church keeps seeming to be to withdraw. We started pulling our kids out of the public schools and then we wonder why they got so bad.

There always have been homosexual boys in the Boy Scouts. Use it as an opportunity to love them to Christ.

And I always found it strange that the church didn't want gay Scout leaders but no one in the church stepped forward to address why the Scouts had to turn to gay Scout leaders when there were so many straight, evangelical men available who could be Scout leaders?

 

[righteousdude2]

Get REAL....

>The answer of the church keeps seeming to be to withdraw. We started pulling our kids out of the public schools and then we wonder why they got so bad.<

When it comes to PROTECTING our most precious gift, the children, we have every right to "pull away" as you put it!

In case you forgot, SIN is contagious, and who in their right mind would put their child in danger of being affected by sin?

Look around Zaac ... the schools are full of kids who see nothing wrong [or sinful] with homosexuality, and you want to put our children in harm's way. That is absurd, even coming from yall minset?!?!

>There always have been homosexual boys in the Boy Scouts. Use it as an opportunity to love them to Christ.<

What you say is well and good; HOWEVER, you are either unaware of the fact that gays are a well-organized movement, militant to the core, and "loving them to Christ" may have been the solution 30 years ago, BUT come on Zaac; the parents of gay children are going to PROTECT their kids from being "loved to Jesus" by us Christian folk!

I think you need to stand up, which means taking your head out of the sand it is now buried in, and look around at what is going on in the country and world! The day of winning gays over to the church are fading! These people know what they want; know who they are; and see us, the church, as a vile poison.

.And I always found it strange that the church didn't want gay Scout leaders but no one in the church stepped forward to address why the Scouts had to turn to gay Scout leaders when there were so many straight, evangelical men available who could be Scout leaders?<

Huh??? :BangHead:​

:BangHead:

 

[Zaac]

When it comes to PROTECTING our most precious gift, the children, we have every right to "pull away" as you put it!

Yes let's do try to blame our selfish, unloving behavior on our devotion to the children who will grow up to be just as unloving as their protective parents.

In case you forgot, SIN is contagious, and who in their right mind would put their child in danger of being affected by sin?

I take back what I said before. This is the dumbest thing you've ever said. :laugh:

Pure foolishness. But it is the same mindset that governs so many in the church. YIKES! They might affect us with their homosexuality. Yikes! They might affect us with their abortion.

I got news for you. Everybody is already infected.

God has called us to be salt and light and IN the world. SO why are you so dead set on pulling the salt and light out of the world?

Look around Zaac ... the schools are full of kids who see nothing wrong [or sinful] with homosexuality, and you want to put our children in harm's way. That is absurd, even coming from yall minset?!?!

Look around you completely blind person. The schools are where they are because folks like you helped to remove the influence of Christ that used to show up everyday in the form of the kids who had been given the truth. The absurdity is the degree of selfishness you're dishing out and don't even realize it. Because Lord knows that you know better than GOD.

So let's just ignore what GOD said to do and do what you want to do.

What you say is well and good; HOWEVER, you are either unaware of the fact that gays are a well-organized movement, militant to the core, and "loving them to Christ" may have been the solution 30 years ago, BUT come on Zaac; the parents of gay children are going to PROTECT their kids from being "loved to Jesus" by us Christian folk!

You just need to be quiet. As far as you're concerned, Christ is no longer enough. The evil homosexuals have won and Jesus no longer has the victory.

Save that foolish speech of yours for your Brothers who believe like you. I happen to know that Jesus is ABLE to do what He says. So please go sit down on your padded pew in your multi-million dollar ,whitewashed ivory covered church and keep looking inwards. The remnant, the folks who don't mind getting their hands dirty, will mingle with the undesirables that you fear may infect you and your kin.

I think you need to stand up, which means taking your head out of the sand it is now buried in, and look around at what is going on in the country and world! The day of winning gays over to the church are fading! These people know what they want; know who they are; and see us, the church, as a vile poison.

I think you need to sit down and remove your head from your own self importance. The only days that are fading are the days when folks like you are allowed to be the voice of the church. So please sit down and let the folks who are really concerned about seeing souls saved get back to work knowing that the timetable to see gays and anybody else not in Christ ain't done unti JESUS says so.

So you withdraw and only concern yourself with you and yours because we do know that is the example that Jesus set. That's sarcasm in case you're wondering.

Huh??? :BangHead:​

:BangHead:

Maybe if you hit it enough it'll knock some good sense from GOD into your noggin'.

If men in the CHURCH were stepping up, the Scouts wouldn't have to be turning to gay men outside the church to be leaders.

But we don't recognize this. We won't do what we're supposed to do and then start throwing a hissy fit when somebody else steps up to do it.

Bang your head about that.

 

[Salty]

Zaac,
Apparently, you did NOT read the link in the OP

 

[Zaac]

Zaac,
Apparently, you did NOT read the link in the OP

I did indeed read it. Why recreate the wheel? In a lot of places, the Scouts was already being used to raise up young men.

We once again dropped the ball and our response is to withdraw and come back with an alternative that leaves us surrounded by those who are just like us.

Why don't we just form our own little private communities that don't allow any sinners in?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

As of 1 Jan 14, hom0sexual boys will be permitted to join the BSA.

Many do not believe this upholds the high moral standards of the BSA of the past.

Will you consider the Trail Life Program?

Fifteen years ago, the Americian Heritage Girls , was formed.

Don't forget Appleseed.

 

[Salty]

I did indeed read it. Why recreate the wheel? In a lot of places, the Scouts was already being used to raise up young men.

We once again dropped the ball and our response is to withdraw and come back with an alternative that leaves us surrounded by those who are just like us.

Why don't we just form our own little private communities that don't allow any sinners in?

I dont replace (re-create) a tire when I just get nail - simply - plug it up. But when you have a blowout- you need a new tire.
The BSA has had a blowout - and its only going to get worse. We need an organization that stands for something.

 

[Zaac]

I dont replace (re-create) a tire when I just get nail - simply - plug it up. But when you have a blowout- you need a new tire.
The BSA has had a blowout - and its only going to get worse. We need an organization that stands for something.

How about the CHURCH? We've already got the CHURCH so why are we trying to compete with the culture on its terms and essentially drive people away when we're supposed to be attracting them and pointing them to Christ?

 

[Salty]

How about the CHURCH? We've already got the CHURCH so why are we trying to compete with the culture on its terms and essentially drive people away when we're supposed to be attracting them and pointing them to Christ?

Okay - I give up - you win - just send our youth to organizations with no moral standards - and become part of the world -regardless of what John 17:11 says

 

[Zaac]

Okay - I give up - you win - just send our youth to organizations with no moral standards - and become part of the world -regardless of what John 17:11 says

Yes you and a lot of the church have given up. That's why the kneejerk response is to withdraw and pull inward.

God GAVE us the ground. Why are we so quick to cede it? SMH. I guess it's just the easy thing to do.

What good is salt and light amongst that which is already salted and lit?

God has called us to GO not to withdraw back into our own comfortable little existences..

It continues to be a selfishness of which the church needs to repent. Yet we sit back and point the finger at the level of wickedness in society as we withdraw with our families and kids back into our homes and our churches and our little elite organizations.

 

[Salty]

Zaac,
I dont know the answer, but it would be interesting to know how many kids are involved in Trail Life and Americian Heritiage Girls that come from unchurched homes. In addition, there are several other groups Such as AWANA that are providing Salt and Light as we do GO into the world.

So just sit there and contunie point fingers at those who do not see things your way. In the meantime, I will be out presenting Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world.

 

[Zaac]

Zaac,
I dont know the answer, but it would be interesting to know how many kids are involved in Trail Life and Americian Heritiage Girls that come from unchurched homes. In addition, there are several other groups Such as AWANA that are providing Salt and Light as we do GO into the world.

So just sit there and contunie point fingers at those who do not see things your way. In the meantime, I will be out presenting Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world.

Somebody needs to point the finger because this continues to be beyond stupid.

Some of yall make the Church sound like a club for a bunch of scared yuppie white people who think anybody who isn't conservative, straight and white is going to infect them and their children.

Praise God for AWANAs and the other organizations. But God needs to slap the church side our proverbial heads for always looking inward and trying to bring them to us instead of us getting out of our confortable ivory towers and GOING!

 

[Bro. Curtis]

The answer of the church keeps seeming to be to withdraw. We started pulling our kids out of the public schools and then we wonder why they got so bad.

Actually they got bad, then we pulled them out. Once they start teaching evolution as fact, a true Christian has no business letting them educate their kids.

 

[Zaac]

Actually they got bad, then we pulled them out. Once they start teaching evolution as fact, a true Christian has no business letting them educate their kids.

There we go again with the ISSUES. It's the world. It's full of sin. Running away from it doesn't achieve the purpose of salt and light.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

And Lot should have stayed in Sodom.

 

[Zaac]

And Lot should have stayed in Sodom.

God took Lot out of Sodom because there were no righteous people there. Has God told us there are no righteous people in the public schools? in the Scouts?

You're making excuses to justify the churches pulling inwards that simply don't hold up Biblically.

 

[Don]

And Lot should have stayed in Sodom.

See, here's the deal: Zaac is making the same error that Evangelist (up in the Baptists Only forums) makes. He isn't recognizing that there is a "body" of Christians; and that each part of the body has its special gifts, talents, and purpose.

He's also forgetting that repentence is turning away from sin; and that in order to turn away from sin, there must be something to turn to. And while we're turning from sin to God, in our daily lives we also need those things that help us fulfill Philippians 4 (think on these things) ... and that requires things like strong Awanas programs, and a strong local assembly to bring the lost and recently saved into, so that they may become sharpened iron.

Constant swimming in the cesspool just keeps you covered in sewage. Throwing a gallon of clean water in the cesspool initially adds clean water, but gets mixed in. Until we have just as much, or more, clean water to combat the sewage, we need other sources where we can get cleaned up once in a while. But let's face it: there will always be fewer Christians. We already know from scripture that broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat.

Zaac's accusation, however, seems to indicate that he thinks the cesspool is the church itself. That, however, leads to a discussion about the "universal church" rather than the body. Not understanding the difference seems to be the crux of why Zaac continues to rail against those here who try to convince him of his error regarding them. Until we learn to utilize the gifts and purposes of each of the members of the entire body, we will continue to make the mistake of thinking that there's one way to solve the problem. Understand, there is only one solution: God. But He, in His infinite wisdom, gave some to be teachers, some to be apostles, and others to other purposes to each be used in their different ways to bring people to the one solution.

Saul was converted when a light shone from heaven; the Ethiopian was saved when someone explained the scripture to him. Different methods, same result.

Embrace the diversity, not just of God's creation, but of His ways.

 

[Zaac]

As usual, the all-knowing Don (AKD) likes to tell the world what Zaac thinks and the AKD is wrong 100% of the time.

Just more excuses. God said to GO. He didn't say go and get them and bring them back to your lil protected environment .

Yall and these darn programs that you think are a legitimate excuse to disobey because you think the SBC way is better than God's way.

Some in the church seem to have fashioned their own cesspools that they simply can't smell because their noses are so far in the air. The lil cesspool that you think isn't a cesspool is. You just got a bunch of snobbish Christians surrounded by a bunch of other incredibly snobbish Christians telling each other that their sin no longer stinks. Amazingly the non-Christians rarely want of that cesspool because it smells like their cesspool.

So somebody please tell the AKD that we're to be IN their cesspool because that's where they are.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Constant swimming in the cesspool just keeps you covered in sewage. Throwing a gallon of clean water in the cesspool initially adds clean water, but gets mixed in. Until we have just as much, or more, clean water to combat the sewage, we need other sources where we can get cleaned up once in a while. But let's face it: there will always be fewer Christians. We already know from scripture that broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat.

A little yeast rises the whole lump, in other words.