Transferred into Christ?

[Van]

Some say God does not transfer chosen human spirits into Christ's spiritual body. But scripture not only says this is exactly what God does, scripture also describes the results (benefits) of having been transferred.

Colossians 1:13 NASB
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son.

1 Peter 2:9-10
But you are A CHOSEN PEOPLE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR GOD’S OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY. ​

What occurs if God puts a human spirit into Christ's spiritual body?

1) Election
2) Redemption
3) Salvation
4) Regeneration (Made Spiritually Alive)
5) Born spiritually anew as a child of God, and beloved family member.
6) Receive Mercy and Forgiveness forever
7) Made Perfect and enrolled in heaven
8) Complete Reconciliation with God
9) Sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit forever
10) Our faith protected by the power of God
11) Made a new creation, created for good works
12) Positional Sanctification Completed
13) Progressive Sanctification Inaugurated
14) Given a measure of faith meaning a sphere of ministry as an Ambassador of Christ.
15) Heir as a child of God to our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming. ​

 

[Van]

The act of God setting a person spiritually apart, within Christ, is referred to using many different Greek words. One is the noun "hagiasmos" referring to being set apart for a holy purpose. When we are transferred into Christ, we are made holy by the washing of regeneration.

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brothers and sisters beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.​

Note the person is chosen (elected) for salvation through or by the means of being set apart in Christ.

 

[canadyjd]

You have produced nothing to support the claim we are “TRANSFERRED INTO CHRIST’S SPIRITUAL BODY”

Being transferred into His kingdom is not the same thing as being transferred into His spiritual body, but I am confident you cannot understand that truth.

This is a very common thing you do where you take a passage and redefine the words to mean something other than what is taught.

That is why your theology is so messed up.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

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2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brothers and sisters beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.​

Note the person is chosen (elected) for salvation through or by the means of being set apart in Christ.

Again, changing the words of the passage to fit your belief.

The passage says we are, chosen for salvation “from the beginning… through sanctification (set apart) by the Spirit”

You change the plain meaning to being set apart “in Christ”, which is not what the passage says.

You want it to mean we are set apart after we believe and God credits our faith as righteousness, correct?

The passage is a clear statement from f election prior to salvation.

peace to you

 

[Van]

Again, changing the words of the passage to fit your belief.

The passage says we are, chosen for salvation “from the beginning… through sanctification (set apart) by the Spirit”

You change the plain meaning to being set apart “in Christ”, which is not what the passage says.

You want it to mean we are set apart after we believe and God credits our faith as righteousness, correct?

The passage is a clear statement from f election prior to salvation.

peace to you

Sorry, but your rote objection is laughable nonsense.

When a person is chosen for salvation, that is their individual election for salvation. From the beginning of the inauguration of the New Covenant, simply describes when these individual elections started. The phrase has nothing to do with the means by which the election is accomplished which is for God to set the chosen person apart in Christ.

Yes we are individually set apart after we believe, i.e. "through faith." Those that deny this ignore and nullify numerous verses. When God credits a person's faith in Christ as righteousness, He transfers them spiritually into Christ's spiritual body where they undergo the washing of regeneration and are then sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit.

 

[37818]

Holy Scripture uses the term, "spiritual.body,' to refer to Christ's resurrection body: 1 Corinthians 15:44, It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

[canadyjd]

Holy Scripture uses the term, "spiritual.body,' to refer to Christ's resurrection body: 1 Corinthians 15:44, It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Exactly!!!

To say we are “transferred into Christ’s spiritual body” is to say we have literally merged into His body. Not that we a part of a community, but in some way, we become Christ Himself.

I really don’t believe folks are thinking this through very well.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Sorry, but your rote objection is laughable nonsense.

When a person is chosen for salvation, that is their individual election for salvation. From the beginning of the inauguration of the New Covenant, simply describes when these individual elections started. The phrase has nothing to do with the means by which the election is accomplished which is for God to set the chosen person apart in Christ.

Yes we are individually set apart after we believe, i.e. "through faith." Those that deny this ignore and nullify numerous verses. When God credits a person's faith in Christ as righteousness, He transfers them spiritually into Christ's spiritual body where they undergo the washing of regeneration and are then sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit.

Again, you are changing the words of the passage… to fit your belief.

“you are chosen from the beginning for salvation” becomes chosen from the beginning of the inauguration of new covenant.

“chosen from the beginning” becomes chosen after you believe.

Utter nonsense

peace to you

 

[Van]

Again, you are changing the words of the passage… to fit your belief.
“you are chosen from the beginning for salvation” becomes chosen from the beginning of the inauguration of new covenant.
“chosen from the beginning” becomes chosen after you believe.
Utter nonsense

peace to you

1) I am not changing my understanding of what the exact inspired words meanings of the passage as intended by God. Your false claim against me is simply an effort to change the subject to me.

2) Indicating my understanding of which "beginning" is in view does not change the word of the inspired text.

3) Yes, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 requires that those chosen believed before they were chosen. Thus their faith was utilized in their election for salvation. Its a lock.

 

[canadyjd]

1) I am not changing my understanding of what the exact inspired words meanings of the passage as intended by God. Your false claim against me is simply an effort to change the subject to me.

2) Indicating my understanding of which "beginning" is in view does not change the word of the inspired text.

3) Yes, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 requires that those chosen believed before they were chosen. Thus their faith was utilized in their election for salvation. Its a lock.

Apparently, no amount of scripture in context will lead you change your understanding.

But do not deceive yourself into believing your understanding is the “exact inspired meaning” of these passages.

Your understanding of biblical word meaning is not inspired and your every thread has the same theme of let’s change the meaning of the passage.

The very notion we are chosen AFTER we believe destroys the meaning of the words “chosen”, “beginning”, “sanctification” (set apart)

peace to you

 

[Van]

Apparently, no amount of scripture in context will lead you change your understanding.

But do not deceive yourself into believing your understanding is the “exact inspired meaning” of these passages.
Your understanding of biblical word meaning is not inspired and your every thread has the same theme of let’s change the meaning of the passage.
The very notion we are chosen AFTER we believe destroys the meaning of the words “chosen”, “beginning”, “sanctification” (set apart)

peace to you

Sorry, but I am not changing the inspired meanings intended by the words, but I am offering a different view from yours.

2 Thessalonian 2:13 clearly and unambiguously says individuals are chosen through (by using) sanctification (setting apart) and our faith (obviously credited as righteousness). You can deny this fundamental aspect of the gospel of Christ till the cows come home, doesn't change one word of scripture.

 

[Van]

Holy Scripture uses the term, "spiritual.body,' to refer to Christ's resurrection body: 1 Corinthians 15:44, It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The verse does not indicate the spiritual body refers to Christ's bodily resurrection.

The bodily resurrection to life is in view. First we must live physically, i.e. be born of water, and be born anew spiritually by being transferred into Christ's spiritual body, as a member obedient to the head which is Christ. Then, at Christ's second coming we who are asleep "in Christ" will be bodily redeemed in a glorified body.

 

[JD731]

Some say God does not transfer chosen human spirits into Christ's spiritual body. But scripture not only says this is exactly what God does, scripture also describes the results (benefits) of having been transferred.

Colossians 1:13 NASB
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son.

1 Peter 2:9-10
But you are A CHOSEN PEOPLE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR GOD’S OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY. ​

What occurs if God puts a human spirit into Christ's spiritual body?

1) Election
2) Redemption
3) Salvation
4) Regeneration (Made Spiritually Alive)
5) Born spiritually anew as a child of God, and beloved family member.
6) Receive Mercy and Forgiveness forever
7) Made Perfect and enrolled in heaven
8) Complete Reconciliation with God
9) Sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit forever
10) Our faith protected by the power of God
11) Made a new creation, created for good works
12) Positional Sanctification Completed
13) Progressive Sanctification Inaugurated
14) Given a measure of faith meaning a sphere of ministry as an Ambassador of Christ.
15) Heir as a child of God to our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming. ​

You are confusing scriptures by attempting to make Pauline points from the Jewish Christian epistles. It is the apostle Paul who was given the comprehensive revelation of the mystery of Christ and it was Peter himself who said what Paul wrote was hard to be understood. Hardly an admission of a man who had been given the same revelation as Paul, don't you think?

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;(Hebrews?)
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (twist or pervert), as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, (the error of the wicked were the Judaizes teaching they must keep certain parts of the law of Moses to be saved) fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Peter's emphasis was not on gentiles or the mystery of Christ, but on his own countrymen, the strangers of this land.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation (this is the KEY to understanding this epistle - this is the generation of Jesus Christ and will end in AD 70) , a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

The church of Jesus Christ is a body, not a nation.

This generation of Abraham's seed has been tasked to receive the kingdom but they failed through unbelief and efforts of the Judaizers. Only a remnant believed after they were given the light of the gospel. (See He 6 and 10.and Jude and 2 Peter 2)

One will need to throw their theology books away and focus on believing the OT and the prophets (it is not hard to do as you have been told) are something besides figurative language without any real meaning if he will ever understand these wonderful truths that we are privileged to read in a KJV Bible. Before the physical kingdom of Christ, that is promised in the prophets is established, all the citizens must be previously saved. This is how Peter is thinking when he writes to the strangers.

Do not be stubborn and refuse to consider what I am telling you. It is my understanding that had these people believed the gospel wholesale, Jesus Christ would have established his earthly kingdom by fulfilling the prophecies of the OT beginning in 70 AD.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is spiritual before it is physical but when it is finished it is both.

As far as I know, none of the 12 apostles ever preached the gospel in Europe where the gentiles live.

May the Lord be pleased with my handling of his wonderful word in this post.

 

[37818]

The verse does not indicate the spiritual body refers to Christ's bodily resurrection.

The bodily resurrection to life is in view. First we must live physically, i.e. be born of water, and be born anew spiritually by being transferred into Christ's spiritual body, as a member obedient to the head which is Christ. Then, at Christ's second coming we who are asleep "in Christ" will be bodily redeemed in a glorified body.

In 1 Corinthians 15:44 the terminology "spiritual body" is used to describe the resurrection body.

 

[Van]

In 1 Corinthians 15:44 the terminology "spiritual body" is used to describe the resurrection body.

As I said in post #12, the resurrection to life is in view.

 

[Van]

You are confusing scriptures by attempting to make Pauline points from the Jewish Christian epistles. It is the apostle Paul who was given the comprehensive revelation of the mystery of Christ and it was Peter himself who said what Paul wrote was hard to be understood. Hardly an admission of a man who had been given the same revelation as Paul, don't you think?

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;(Hebrews?)
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (twist or pervert), as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, (the error of the wicked were the Judaizes teaching they must keep certain parts of the law of Moses to be saved) fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Peter's emphasis was not on gentiles or the mystery of Christ, but on his own countrymen, the strangers of this land.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation (this is the KEY to understanding this epistle - this is the generation of Jesus Christ and will end in AD 70) , a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

The church of Jesus Christ is a body, not a nation.

This generation of Abraham's seed has been tasked to receive the kingdom but they failed through unbelief and efforts of the Judaizers. Only a remnant believed after they were given the light of the gospel. (See He 6 and 10.and Jude and 2 Peter 2)

One will need to throw their theology books away and focus on believing the OT and the prophets (it is not hard to do as you have been told) are something besides figurative language without any real meaning if he will ever understand these wonderful truths that we are privileged to read in a KJV Bible. Before the physical kingdom of Christ, that is promised in the prophets is established, all the citizens must be previously saved. This is how Peter is thinking when he writes to the strangers.

Do not be stubborn and refuse to consider what I am telling you. It is my understanding that had these people believed the gospel wholesale, Jesus Christ would have established his earthly kingdom by fulfilling the prophecies of the OT beginning in 70 AD.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is spiritual before it is physical but when it is finished it is both.

As far as I know, none of the 12 apostles ever preached the gospel in Europe where the gentiles live.

May the Lord be pleased with my handling of his wonderful word in this post.

1) I am not a mind reader and neither are you. Do not claim I am drawing unwarranted distinctions.

2) All scripture fits together perfectly, do not claim the doctrine presented by an inspired author only applies to Jews or Gentiles.

3) No one said the body of Christ is earthly bound nation made up of just Jews or just Gentiles.

4) The chosen generation refers to the Jews, but to all those called into His marvelous light, Jew and Gentile alike.

5) Abraham's seed was not tasked to "receive the kingdom" as if salvation was done by humans or any sort.

6) If a theology book presents false doctrine as judged by an open and transparent study of scripture, it should be discarded, unless kept as a example of false doctrine.

 

[canadyjd]

Sorry, but I am not changing the inspired meanings intended by the words, but I am offering a different view from yours…..

You are offering a different view from what Christians and Biblical Greek/Hebrew scholar’s have held throughout Church history.

Your only argument for the variant view is that you have looked at a Greek or Hebrew lexicon and discovered that within the possible range of meanings for the word is one that fits your errant views.

When Biblical Greek and Hebrew scholars have explained to you in excruciating detail why your view mangles the way the words are used in context, you double/triple down claiming you don’t have to be a scholar to understand the languages and since you own a lexicon, your view is just as valid as theirs.

Yes, you are changing the meanings of biblical words to fit your errant views.

peace to you

 

[MrW]

All in Adam are lost.

All in Christ (the Second and Last Adam) are saved.

Everybody is in one or the other, by their spiritual man.

 

[37818]

As I said in post #12, the resurrection to life is in view.

Ok, I think you are wrong and do not know it.

 

[canadyjd]

All in Adam are lost.

All in Christ (the Second and Last Adam) are saved.

Everybody is in one or the other, by their spiritual man.

Being “in Christ” is not the same as being “transferred into Christ’s spiritual body”

No one argues that when we sin, we are “transferred into Adam’s body”

Jesus currently has a “spiritual body”, according to scripture. We cannot inhabit His body, therefore we cannot be transferred into His body.

It is very poor theology, at best, and tends toward heresy at worst.

Peace to you