Reformed1689
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HE IS NOT A WOMAN!
I am not open to debating things that are clearly against Scripture and advocate for the continuance of sin as you have done.
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ChasingChrist
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I am advocating not for the continuance of sin but the careful growing of faith. This woman is in an extremely vulnerable situation, and every journey of faith is slow and rocky. You just need to get her started on the right path, while allowing her to feel safe and personally inspired to do so. You cannot drag people to God.
Reformed1689
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Why do you call him a woman?
No but you can sure keep them at the gates of hell by encouraging their sin.
ChasingChrist
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On the contrary! If she is eventually saved by faith, then she will not be condemned for her sins, but instead washed clean of them. As will any sinner who devotes themselves faithfully to God. At that time, her sins will pale in comparison to her salvation in Christ. They will no longer even be relevant. It should be every pastor’s duty to help the members of their congregation reach this point in their faith journeys.
Reformed1689
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Why do you keep calling him she?
Nobody is “encouraging sin.”
There does seem to be a preoccupation over the issue of gender in this thread.
It is as if the gender prevents or excludes one from salvation.
Shame on you.
Reformed1689
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There is a focus on gender in this thread because THAT IS WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT! And nobody said gender prevents or excludes one from salvation, you are missing the entire point.
If you go against God, against the natural order, and defy Him, that is sin. If you do not confess your sin, you are still in your sin. If you do not turn from your sin, you are still in your sin. THAT is the issue here. You are twisting the issue.
By not rebuking the sin, and saying it is ok to not confess, it is ok to dress like a woman, it is ok to (fill in the blank) you are most definitely encouraging the sin.
I am all in on two basic items concerning the assembly.
1) it should be doctrinally correct and pure.
2) it should be a safe haven for all believers.
When was a member excluded?
1) when their doctrine was incorrect and they refused instruction.
2) when their actions (bedding the mother-in-law) brought shame to the testimony of Christ.
For what then am I to be ashamed?
Be cause I want a person to have time to abide in the assembly, to grow in Christ and in His strength that their living become conformed to His principles?
What is you want?
Throw that person out.
Reject that person.
Demand that person conform to some human standard.
Declare that person is not welcome.
Shame on you.
Reformed1689
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This is your shame. Calling God's standard a human made standard.
Never once posted sin should not be rebuked.
I’ve been dealing with a person who is extreme bi-polar. Often he sins, often he cries out seeking forgiveness. It has taken great patience and God is working.
I merely apply the same principle to the person in the OP.
It matters very little how the person comes, it matters that they come.
It matters very little who they pretend to be, but that they are there to listen to God’s word and allow the Holy Spirit to do work no human can do for them.
Encouraging sin?
Our assembly is full of sinners! I don’t have to encourage it.
If I had authority, I would post a huge sign saying, “Beggars, prostitutes, lame, homeless, needy, paroles and any who know they are sinners are welcome to come, just as you are. Learn of the Savior.
Pharisees are not welcome. Busybodies can stay away. Snobby puffed up pretentiously proud pass on by. Those who do no wrong and never sin are welcome somewhere else.”
Reformed1689
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Go and sin no more. Jesus doesn't tell people, go and as you grow continue in your sin less, he says go and sin no more. It says confess your sins, it doesn't say confess your sins when you feel safe about it. Those are your man made ideas.
Reformed1689
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No
Did the women in adultery confess her sins?
Certainly, she was exposed as a sinner.
And who told her, “Go, sin no more”?
Was it the crowd of sinners or the Savior of sinners?
Your man made presentation is that one is unwelcome as a sinner.
My presentation is that what better person to be brought to the Savior.
Reformed1689
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Supposedly that person has already been brought to the Savior. And you really shouldn't base your argument on that passage since it likely was not in the original text.
That being said, we are talking about the assembly of the church. Not salvation. Do you not believe in church discipline? And yes, you keep talking about other sins, I'm not saying we treat those any differently. Those people need to come to repentance too. But there is a difference. There are sins we do not know about, this one we do. That's the difference.
It is people with your viewpoint is why the church is in such decline. The church is not the place for evangelism. I am not saying turn people away, but I'm saying our focus in church is not evangelism. That is what the body does outside of the church service, we go out. The purpose of the church service is to feed the sheep. Don't confuse those two things.
As for who told her to go and sin no more, that is irrelevant. Jesus told us to make disciples and to TEACH all that he commanded. That gives us the same authority to say go and sin no more.
Why are you defending this lifestyle? Why are you defending sin? Why is this such a die on a hill issue for you?
Why don't you apply that Scripture to this?
and why, the repeated resort to personal attack?
But then it went right back to opinions, accusations, etc. galore.
It's like pulling teeth trying to focus on the Scripture here.
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Reformed1689
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Already have.
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