Trial Counselor = Infantry Soldier, I don't think so!

[Bro. Curtis]

That's why I said that. If anyone here has had his service attacked, in this thread, it was you, Carpro.

It was just disgusting.

 

[dragonfly]

They are both honorable men and both are to be commended for their service. What galls me is that the media wants to take their service and say it is equal, its not.

I believe what really galls you is that one is related to a democrat and you don't like the fact that he is held on the same level as Palin's son.

I think the Army will do all they can to keep both these soldiers from being put unnecessarily in harm's way. Just like the British did with Prince Harry.

Either way these men have served their country honorably!

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Yes, and a Purple Heart is the same for a scratch as it is for mortal wounds. That's just the way it works.

However the Army has it's Combat Infantry Badge and the Marines (at least when I served) had the Combat Action Ribbon. To get either, one actually has to be in combat.

A sailor or airman might not recognize either one, but any Marine knows what a CAR looks like and how you get one. The same for the Army and it's CIB.

They know who does the dirty work.

I don't know that they received those. We have a ribbon for combat as well, but our Battle Group was awarded the Navy Expeditionary Medal.

The medal will be awarded to the officers and enlisted men of the Navy and Marine Corps who shall have actually landed on foreign territory and engaged in operations against armed opposition, or operated under circumstances which, after full consideration, shall be deemed to merit special recognition and for which service no campaign medal has been awarded.

I am able to wear a bronze star in mine, for another Persian Gulf tour. All before July, 1983.

 

[JustChristian]

The way your mind works, to loosely use the term, is sometimes frighteningly...

well...

mindless.:tonofbricks:

You posted this inane remark which belittles the service of a lot of soldiers did you not? Think before you type. Please.

On a scale of 1 to 10, a "trial counselor" would be a 1. An infantryman would be a 10.

The dangers are not even close to equal.

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

I believe what really galls you is that one is related to a democrat and you don't like the fact that he is held on the same level as Palin's son.

I think the Army will do all they can to keep both these soldiers from being put unnecessarily in harm's way. Just like the British did with Prince Harry.

Either way these men have served their country honorably!

No not really, I don't care what their politics are their jobs are not equal. I am not saying that one is dishonorable, just not equal. Biden's son is not going to be subject to the same level of danger that Palin's is.

When I was in the Army I was a trigger puller and it galled me then to be put in the same category as REMFs with air conditioned offices. I was thankful that we had support and supply guys who got us food water and ammunition. You have to have that stuff to fight and their service is of course honorable, BUT ITS NOT EQUAL.

The media wants to equate a lawyer and an infantryman just because both are in a combat zone because they think it gives Biden credibility. It doesn't. His son is still a lawyer.

 

[Gold Dragon]

BUT ITS NOT EQUAL

I don't see the word equal or any suggestion of that in the text you quoted in the OP. Why are you angry/irritated?

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

I don't see the word equal or any suggestion of that in the text you quoted in the OP. Why are you angry/irritated?

Because it lessons the sacrifice that young men like Track Palin make. I don't know all why he or Beau Biden chose the military. But a lawyer who serves in the National Guard, who may have gotten the military to pay for law school is not making the same level of sacrifice as someone who puts his life on the line to preserve our freedom.

Yea Yea Yea, support guys are important too. And a mortor can hit anybody. But those who take the greatest risks, those who volunteer and sacrifice the most, should reap the greatest rewards or at the very least receive the greatest recognition.

Now I know it has never been that way and never will, but that is why it irritates me. You want more specific examples?

 

[Gold Dragon]

Because it lessons the sacrifice that young men like Track Palin make

What lessens it? The fact that the two of them are mentioned together because their parents are debating? Did someone say they were making equal sacrifices and taking equal risks?

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

What lessens it? The fact that the two of them are mentioned together because their parents are debating?

Perhaps to you it does not. Perhaps I am overly sensative about this, but the media can't seem to mention one without the other.

Its like saying Palin and Obama both went to college. OK, Sarah has a bachelor's degree from the University of Idaho. Barak graduated from Columbia and then earned a Juris Doctor from Harvard. But they both went to college so that is about equal right?



Please I mean no offense to any Idaho alumni on the board. Go Vandals! (there mascot is a Vandal? What in the world is that and how did they pick that as a mascot? And yes I did have to look it up.)

 

[Gold Dragon]

Perhaps to you it does not. Perhaps I am overly sensative about this, but the media can't seem to mention one without the other.

I don't think being mentioned together means they are equal or that anyone thinks they are equal.

 

[go2church]

What you really want to say is that Track is a REAL man for carrying a gun and Beau is a sissy for not picking up a gun. A real man would never give up gun carrying, dust eating duty for a desk. And since Beau is not a real man, it's because of his daddy, you know Joe, the VP guy. So what I'm saying is that if you want a real man in office vote for a woman!

 

[Bro. Curtis]

NCT, don't you love it when people talk for you ?

You have made your case well. I agree with you. But it is the way it is, isn't it ? The military doesn't give much in the way of fairness.

Go2Church, did you serve in a combat role, or a support role ?

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

What you really want to say is that Track is a REAL man for carrying a gun and Beau is a sissy for not picking up a gun. A real man would never give up gun carrying, dust eating duty for a desk. And since Beau is not a real man, it's because of his daddy, you know Joe, the VP guy. So what I'm saying is that if you want a real man in office vote for a woman!

Thanks buddy, now that you have told me what I really wanted to say I no longer agree with myself:thumbs:

Let me ask you something go2church. Who has a higher likelihood of getting killed in Iraq, Beau or Track? Yes I know they are both serving their country and both are at risk, but which one is at more risk?

If you had two sons and both were in Iraq, one as an infantryman and the other as a lawyer, which one would you worry about the most? Oh I know, you love them both and worry about both of them. But which one would you worry about more?

I think having a VP with a son who is a combat soldier in a war zone is great for America. I think it will give our executive branch perspective and personal involvement when they put our soldiers at risk. I think having a VP who's son is an attorney and happens to be serving in Iraq as an attorney will not do that.

Just for the record Go2church, yes, in this case Sarah is more of a man than Joe. Not because of Track but because of who she is.

 

[carpro]

That's why I said that. If anyone here has had his service attacked, in this thread, it was you, Carpro.

It was just disgusting.

Thanks.

But it doesn't concern me. Consider the source.

 

[carpro]

I don't know that they received those. We have a ribbon for combat as well, but our Battle Group was awarded the Navy Expeditionary Medal.

The medal will be awarded to the officers and enlisted men of the Navy and Marine Corps who shall have actually landed on foreign territory and engaged in operations against armed opposition, or operated under circumstances which, after full consideration, shall be deemed to merit special recognition and for which service no campaign medal has been awarded.

I am able to wear a bronze star in mine, for another Persian Gulf tour. All before July, 1983.

During the 1980s, Crewmen aboard several ships that were attacked were awarded the same Combat Action Medal that Marines get. :thumbs:

 

[just-want-peace]

See my post at:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1300329#post1300329

for an explanation of the drift of this thread!!!!!!!!

 

[JustChristian]

I haven't seen anyone here argue differently.

I do remember how liberals tried to characterize Bush's service in the Air National Guard as "draft dodging" while praising the service of the treasonous Kerry.

I'm glad you agree that both should have been praised equally for their actual service.:thumbs:

Bush got into the Guard only by the influence of his father, jumping over a waiting list of 100 more deserving men. Then he was AWOL for a long period while in the Guard. Kerry served in Viet Nam. Bush never saw Viet Nam. You call Bush a hero and Kerry a traitor. What a disgusting, distorted view.

 

[Major B]

Bush got into the Guard only by the influence of his father, jumping over a waiting list of 100 more deserving men. Then he was AWOL for a long period while in the Guard. Kerry served in Viet Nam. Bush never saw Viet Nam. You call Bush a hero and Kerry a traitor. What a disgusting, distorted view.

First, this has nothing to do with anything on this thread, but let me sort this out for ya'll.

1. First, Bush had several hundred flying hours in those supersonic death traps, the F-102, and he ran several interceptions of Bear bombers--a daily thing during the cold war. He tried to get assigned to a combat fighter unit, but did not have the seniority. Yes, his father helped him get into the Guard, because the man wanted to fly jets, and that is the shortest route to a cockpit. I had a student in Air Force OTS who was the son of a state governor, and he had joined the Air Guard in his state for the same reason, that is, that they are guaranteed so many pilot slots, whereas if you are not ROTC or a Zoomie (academy troop) pilot slots were hard to get.

As an aircraft maintenance mechanic for 8 years and a maintenance officer for 12.5 years, let me assure you that every time GW got into the cockpit of that rattle-trap (the kind of junk they gave the Guard to fly in the old days) he took his life in his hands. Since he could not get an assignment to a combat unit, his interests wandered. You see, that is one of the things about combat pilots--there are so many of them who want to get into action that there is a waiting list! Yes, fighter jocks really are nuts!

2. More in line with the basic question of this thread, if a guy wears the uniform with honor, the rest is equal.

3. The problems with Kerry were twofold--first, he was reckless on the battlefield, and second, he did despite to the uniform after his service was over. He played into the hands of the people who murdered millions after we gave in in Southeast Asia, and he contributed to the destruction of the military. As one of those who rebuilt the US military in the 1970s, you have no idea how much guys like Kerry undermined the force. I will never forget the ashen faces and sick expressions on our faces as we sat and listened over the radio in Jan '77 as Jimmy Carter let the draft dodgers slide--the disgust and the hurt were palpable. We had done the right thing, they had done the wrong thing, and he just let them go. In one action, he turned me from a Democrat with a party heritage going back to 1812 into a Republican.

 

[JustChristian]

First, this has nothing to do with anything on this thread, but let me sort this out for ya'll.

1. First, Bush had several hundred flying hours in those supersonic death traps, the F-102, and he ran several interceptions of Bear bombers--a daily thing during the cold war. He tried to get assigned to a combat fighter unit, but did not have the seniority. Yes, his father helped him get into the Guard, because the man wanted to fly jets, and that is the shortest route to a cockpit. I had a student in Air Force OTS who was the son of a state governor, and he had joined the Air Guard in his state for the same reason, that is, that they are guaranteed so many pilot slots, whereas if you are not ROTC or a Zoomie (academy troop) pilot slots were hard to get.

As an aircraft maintenance mechanic for 8 years and a maintenance officer for 12.5 years, let me assure you that every time GW got into the cockpit of that rattle-trap (the kind of junk they gave the Guard to fly in the old days) he took his life in his hands. Since he could not get an assignment to a combat unit, his interests wandered. You see, that is one of the things about combat pilots--there are so many of them who want to get into action that there is a waiting list! Yes, fighter jocks really are nuts!

2. More in line with the basic question of this thread, if a guy wears the uniform with honor, the rest is equal.

3. The problems with Kerry were twofold--first, he was reckless on the battlefield, and second, he did despite to the uniform after his service was over. He played into the hands of the people who murdered millions after we gave in in Southeast Asia, and he contributed to the destruction of the military. As one of those who rebuilt the US military in the 1970s, you have no idea how much guys like Kerry undermined the force. I will never forget the ashen faces and sick expressions on our faces as we sat and listened over the radio in Jan '77 as Jimmy Carter let the draft dodgers slide--the disgust and the hurt were palpable. We had done the right thing, they had done the wrong thing, and he just let them go. In one action, he turned me from a Democrat with a party heritage going back to 1812 into a Republican.

I was responding to this remark by Carpro:

I do remember how liberals tried to characterize Bush's service in the Air National Guard as "draft dodging" while praising the service of the treasonous Kerry.

I consider my remark to be perfectly on target. Tell me why it isn't.

 

[Major B]

I was responding to this remark by Carpro:

I do remember how liberals tried to characterize Bush's service in the Air National Guard as "draft dodging" while praising the service of the treasonous Kerry.

I consider my remark to be perfectly on target. Tell me why it isn't.

I did. Do you not READ the posts before answering?