Trinity

[Charlie24]

Yep. JonC can't remember last week very well, so he isn't overly concerned about what happened before the beginning.

If I found out what happened before the beginning I wouldn't be able to remember it now. Lol.

Don't get old, it's not good.

 

[37818]

The Word was both "with God" (being someone else, John 1:1,2) and "the Word was God" (John 1:1).

 

[37818]

John said, "In the beginning," he's referring to the beginning of creation.

His point is that Christ existed at that time, and later we learn He/Christ is the Creator Himself.

This is what @JonC has been warning us about, this part right here.

Most scholars will tell you this is referring to Christs' eternal state as the Eternal Logos.

But as I'm sure Jon will point out it doesn't say that, and he will be right.

Yes, what we got is, "In the beginning was the Word."

 

[37818]

I am trying to understand your position here.

Before the beginning, what do you view the relationship between the Persons of the Trinity to have been?

I know the answer "God", but I mean are you saying that God became a Triune God at the beginning of Creation?

Yes, what we got is, "In the beginning was the Word."

We know "the Word was God." But twice said to also be someone else "with God." John 1:1-2. And as God was the Creator, John 1:3.

 

[JonC]

We know "the Word was God." But twice said to also be someone else "with God." John 1:1-2. And as God was the Creator, John 1:3.

I am aware that at Creation we see God, the Word, and the Spirit of God.

I was asking about what you think tge case was before Creation.

 

[37818]

I was asking about what you think t[h]e case was before Creation.

John 1:1-2, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

The Word was always both the Son of God and God
and the Word was to be God the Creator.

 

[JonC]

John 1:1-2, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

The Word was always both the Son of God and God
and the Word was to be God the Creator.

The Father is God. The Father was always both the Father and God.
The Spirit is God. The Spirit was always both the Spirit and God.
The Son is God. The Son was always both the Son and God.

The Father created all things.
All things were created through and for the Son.
The Spirit moved over the face of the deep.

Yes, we all know that God (Father, Son, and Spirit) created all that has been created. This is why John tells us "aoart from" the Word nothing was created.

But my question was about "before the beginning". Before creation. I am trying to understand your position.