Tripartite Sheol?

[percho]

Acts 2:27 NASB
For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.

Here David says his human spirit/soul will not be left in Hades, the region for those heading for destruction. Note those taken to Abraham's bosom were NOT abandoned, they just as to wait to be made perfect by the blood of the Lamb, then their human spirits were taken to the third Heaven, to be with God.

And then David says Christ will not see corruption, neither His body nor His Spirit. Thus a prophecy of the empty tomb.

Question

Did the dead Christ need to be made perfect, in some concept of perfection?

I'm thing of Hebrews 5:7-9

 

[percho]

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Matt 27:46 --- 50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Acts 2:31 “he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

Are those from the same root Greek word.

Did the forsaken of Matt result in death unto Hades? Which could not hold him BTW thus the resurrection out of Hades threee days and three nights later.

 

[Ascetic X]

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Matt 27:46 --- 50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Acts 2:31 “he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

Are those from the same root Greek word.

Did the forsaken of Matt result in death unto Hades? Which could not hold him BTW thus the resurrection out of Hades three days and three nights later.

So if Jesus died, then was in hades for 3 days and nights, He was not in paradise?

Thus, Jesus said, “Verily I say to thee today, thou shalt be with me in paradise.”??? Meaning, at some point, after Jesus ascended into heaven in His resurrected body?

“I say to thee today…” is a way to emphasize the seriousness of the declaration, like “I’m telling you right now…”

The main thing is that we who trust in Jesus will be with Him forever, and the thief made it into His kingdom, without being able to do any works to achieve salvation.

The thief was quite an astute theologian, to believe the crucified Messiah, hanging in humiliation and apparent defeat on the accursed cross, was going to come into a kingdom!

 

[John of Japan]

So many questions! I just joined the thread to talk about Paradise, but I'll try to answer.

Acts 13:36 YLT for David, indeed, his own generation having served by the will of God, did fall asleep, and was added unto his fathers, and saw corruption,
Gen 37:35 YLT And Jacob rendeth his raiment, and putteth sackcloth on his loins, and becometh a mourner for his son many days, and all his sons and all his daughters rise to comfort him, and he refuseth to comfort himself, and saith, 'For -- I go down mourning unto my son, to Sheol,' and his father weepeth for him.
Gen 42:38 YLT and he saith, 'My son doth not go down with you, for his brother is dead, and he by himself is left; when mischief hath met him in the way in which ye go, then ye have brought down my grey hairs in sorrow to sheol.'

Where exactly was the once living soul, David, added to his fathers?

"Added to his fathers" is just an idiom for death. It is not referring to a location.

Now read Acts 2:22-32 Where Peter being led by the Holy Spirit speaks concerning the soul named David, and the soul named Jesus of Nazareth relative to Hades/Sheol and corruption of the flesh.

Forgive me, but I'm not sure what you are asking here.

Please note the soul leaving Hades is relative to resurrection. Yes or No?

I suppose yes, but again I'm not really sure what you are asking.

This day Peter is speaking. is fifty plus days following the death of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ. I believe fifty days following the resurrection.

Okay, so is there a question?

Do you think Peter thinks the soul of David is still left in Sheol/Hades on that particular day?

Sheol and hades both have the core meaning of "death" in their respective languages. So David is still dead.

Also would like your thought on the following:

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 Cor 5:1

Could that in bold be the place prepared for us?

Yes, I believe so.

 

[Ben1445]

There are a few things that are good to remember in the conversation.
First, Jesus is God. All things are subject to Him. There is nothing that is not.
Second, on the cross, Jesus said it is finished. He didn’t wait until the resurrection to say it. Jesus didn’t suffer Hell for three days.
Third, there is no reason for any place to be a place of torment for Christ.
Psalms 139:8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:
if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
God has been there for longer than three days, which you must admit based upon Psalm 139, so we must recognize that Scripture is not talking about Jesus suffering for sin in Sheol.

 

[percho]

So many questions! I just joined the thread to talk about Paradise, but I'll try to answer.

"Added to his fathers" is just an idiom for death. It is not referring to a location.

Forgive me, but I'm not sure what you are asking here.

I suppose yes, but again I'm not really sure what you are asking.

Okay, so is there a question?

Sheol and hades both have the core meaning of "death" in their respective languages. So David is still dead.

Yes, I believe so.

“he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. Acts 2:31 NKJV

Did the soul of Jesus depart Hades by way of the resurrection?

The verses I showed from Gen 37 and 42 seem to me to imply the fathers of David believed at death they would be in Sheol Hebrew Hades Greek.

Do you think Peter believed the soul of David had been resurrected out of Hades or was still left to Hades on that day of Pentecost?

Does Acts 2:25-32 state the soul is resurrected?

Ezek 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

 

[percho]

There are a few things that are good to remember in the conversation.
First, Jesus is God. All things are subject to Him. There is nothing that is not.
Second, on the cross, Jesus said it is finished. He didn’t wait until the resurrection to say it. Jesus didn’t suffer Hell for three days.
Third, there is no reason for any place to be a place of torment for Christ.
Psalms 139:8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:
if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
God has been there for longer than three days, which you must admit based upon Psalm 139, so we must recognize that Scripture is not talking about Jesus suffering for sin in Sheol.

IMHO Jesus was paid the wages of sin.

For three days and three nights.

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Romans 6:9

[Our] sin and his obedient death resulted in death having dominion over Christ for three days and three nights. IMHO

 

[Van]

Question

Did the dead Christ need to be made perfect, in some concept of perfection?

I'm thing of Hebrews 5:7-9

I suspect what you are really asking is what is the meaning of being made perfect?

The OT saints had to wait in Abraham's bosom until Christ provided the means of reconciliation by the blood of the Lamb. They had been chosen for salvation through their faith in God, but they had NOT been washed with His blood, which fully justified them, and allowed them to enter the kingdom of God, as stated in Hebrews 12:22-23.

Think of it this way: Not justified by the blood of the Lamb = Not made Perfect.
Justified by the blood of the Lamb, by the washing of regeneration = Made Perfect.

Now you might ask just how does the above relate to Hebrews 5:7-9? Christ was "Made Perfect" with His suffering and death, meaning He was made complete, the perfect sacrifice for sin. He had prayed that if possible, let this "cup" pass from Him, but He was committed to doing His Father's will. The suffering and death was necessary for Christ to be made perfect. Later that evening, Christ expressed His full commitment to His suffering and death, see John 18:11.

One last point, in Hebrews 5:8 Jesus is said to have "learned obedience" from His suffering. That in my opinion completely misses the meaning. Christ perceived the need to submit His Father's will, which necessitated His suffering and death. No greater Love...

 

[JonC]

I think of it, I guess, differently (although I did not know it was differently).

Jesus descended to Sheol (a general word for the grave), and I assumed to the "bosom of Abraham" or "paradise" which was a place the righteous went in Sheol to be the Paradise spoken of on the cross.

This makes sence to me as Jesus descended to Sheol proclaiming victory over the grave to those therein, and Scripture says God will not leave His soul in Sheol.

 

[Ben1445]

IMHO Jesus was paid the wages of sin.

For three days and three nights.

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Romans 6:9

[Our] sin and his obedient death resulted in death having dominion over Christ for three days and three nights. IMHO

There is a physical resurrection.
If there was no need for a physical resurrection, Jesus could have left His physical body and we could all just graduate immediately to perfect spiritual bodies. But Jesus answered every problem that sin presents mankind. Physical death came by sin. So Jesus conquered death.
But I don’t see any suffering in Jesus’ body dead for three days. And your verse doesn’t refer to payment for sin during the three days.
Also, three days is long enough to be sure that someone is not only unconscious.