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Truly saved, or just saved?
- Thread starter pk4life
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I have used the terms to indicate a difference between professing a belief and believing. I believe that there will be some who call Jesus “Lord, Lord” and believe that they are sincerely doing so, but have never truly known Christ.
But saved is...well, saved. We can be confident in our salvation, but this does not mean that we do not examine our own salvation.
But saved is...well, saved. We can be confident in our salvation, but this does not mean that we do not examine our own salvation.
thisnumbersdisconnected
New Member
None whatsoever. "Truly saved" is a misnomer, coined for argument's sake. As Jon said, "saved is saved." Either one is, or one isn't. End of story, as least from the perspective of God, who is the only one who can tell there is a difference.
There are some who are saved, there are some who are not saved.
If there are some who are "truly saved", could there be some who are "insincerely saved"?
I think the biggest problem I have with it, is that it seems like it's used often when talking about others, and not in reflection to self.
"Hmm, I know Sammy Boy goes to church and all, but I'm not sure if he's truly saved"
Those who say "Lord, Lord" whom Jesus clearly says "I never knew you" to... are clearly not saved.
There's no reason to add anything to that, imo.
If there are some who are "truly saved", could there be some who are "insincerely saved"?
I think the biggest problem I have with it, is that it seems like it's used often when talking about others, and not in reflection to self.
"Hmm, I know Sammy Boy goes to church and all, but I'm not sure if he's truly saved"
Those who say "Lord, Lord" whom Jesus clearly says "I never knew you" to... are clearly not saved.
There's no reason to add anything to that, imo.
convicted1
Guest
No difference, period...
:thumbsup: It does call for self-reflection. Those in the passage who cried “Lord, Lord” (which is an emphatic acknowledgment) ministered in His name. I think of the few pastors that I personally know and the many that I’ve seen in venues who came to know Jesus after years in the pulpit. Their knowledge of Christ did not translate into knowing Him during the initial stages of their ministry. Anyway, good point.
convicted1
Guest
A Brother who used to post on here, and actually helped baptize me on 6/10/2007(I'll never forget that day), said he witnessed a deacon coming forth, one who had been a deacon for years, and stating he wanted rebaptized. He had thought he was saved, and found out he wasn't. Served as a deacon and was lost. He had an honest heart when confronted with the truth...
saturneptune
New Member
Yes, and it does bring to my mind the verse in 1 Cor 3:15 talking about our works rewards before the judgment seat of Christ.
If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved--even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Here is the guy who made it through with the D-. I have often wondered about this guy. We know two things, one, he is truly saved, and two, he did have works. That to me excludes those who have done nothing for the Lord since salvation. I have always wondered what works got this status. Any thoughts convicted???
convicted1
Guest
The way I have come to see this is like this; we're not saved by our level of knowledge, but solely by the sovereign grace of God. Now, we have fallible bodies and minds, and none of us has a theology that is errorless. There are some things we hold to as biblical truths that are just flat out wrong. We may not know that, but it's true. If we were right on everything, we'd be on par with Jesus, and none will ever attain that status here. That's why some of it will be burned up, yet we're still saved.
The one is a claim and the other is a reality.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: that gets to the point of it.
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 Peter 1:4,5 KJV
to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and unfading, reserved in the heavens for you, who, in the power of God are being guarded, through faith, unto salvation, ready to be revealed in the last time, YLT
Are you truly saved prior to receiving your salvation?
Who has actually received, been made perfect and become, the author of eternal salvation? See Heb 5:9
When that took place, was that the moment in time spoken of as before the faith came and after the faith came of Gal. 3:23 and Gal 3:25?
Who has become; The substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen?
in the power of God are being guarded, through faith, unto salvation,
It was through Jesus becoming the faithfulness of God, we could be given the Holy Spirit of God, to guard us, unto salvation.
Before man was created, before God said let there be light, God said I will have a Son that will be obedient unto dying, being separated from me forever, yet I will make a promise relative to that obedience, the hope of eternal life.
God believed in the obedient shed blood, wherein was the life of him, of his Son. The faith of God. God so believed in that obedient blood that he before placed Jesus as a propitiation, a place of mercy. Jesus that Son, learned and became obedient unto that death and received the promised, hope, eternal life.
That is the salvation we also shall inherit, through Jesus Christ our Lord.
to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and unfading, reserved in the heavens for you, who, in the power of God are being guarded, through faith, unto salvation, ready to be revealed in the last time, YLT
Are you truly saved prior to receiving your salvation?
Who has actually received, been made perfect and become, the author of eternal salvation? See Heb 5:9
When that took place, was that the moment in time spoken of as before the faith came and after the faith came of Gal. 3:23 and Gal 3:25?
Who has become; The substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen?
in the power of God are being guarded, through faith, unto salvation,
It was through Jesus becoming the faithfulness of God, we could be given the Holy Spirit of God, to guard us, unto salvation.
Before man was created, before God said let there be light, God said I will have a Son that will be obedient unto dying, being separated from me forever, yet I will make a promise relative to that obedience, the hope of eternal life.
God believed in the obedient shed blood, wherein was the life of him, of his Son. The faith of God. God so believed in that obedient blood that he before placed Jesus as a propitiation, a place of mercy. Jesus that Son, learned and became obedient unto that death and received the promised, hope, eternal life.
That is the salvation we also shall inherit, through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So everyone who professes to be "truly saved" is saved?
I am not sure how you arrived at that from what I wrote in response to the OP.
salzer mtn
Well-Known Member
I use truly saved a lot because there are people that believe if they are a citizen of America, living in a so called godly country that makes them saved. Others think being a patriot makes them saved, others, if they are a conservative they are saved. Some people think because mother and dad were Christians, their saved. The word has lost it's value because it is flippantly thrown around.
I mentioned the difference between being "saved" vs. "truly saved".
You say one is a claim, one is reality.
The Bible makes no distinction between one type of saved or the other.
There is one way of salvation. You either are saved, or you are not.
I didn't arrive at that as a conclusion, as you might go back and notice the "?" in my previous post.
I am merely exercising my right to be confused.
You think the phrase "truly saved" has helped to resolve this confusion?
I would say it does when used in context of my original answer.
Well if it has helped, then what percentage of people who claim to be "truly saved" do you think are saved?
Also, once the term "truly saved" has lost it's meaning, do we then go to "really, really truly saved"?
What's the next step?
This is not about people claiming they are truely saved. You need to go back to the beginnig and read what was said.