Trump 2024?

[JonC]

A year ago 74% of Republicans wanted to see Trump run in 2024. Now that has fallen to 33%.

It seems much of this is related to a few factors - how Trump has conducted himself post election, Trumps role in sabotaging the never to materialize "red wave", some facts that have come out in the past year, etc.

But among Republicans there is still a desire to keep the platform, just not Trump.

So how do you think this will turn out?

If not chosen as the GOP candidate, will Trump run and split the party (guaranteeing a DNC win)?

Will a Trump endorsement have the same negative effect we saw in the past midterm election?

How should the GOP proceed? How should Trump proceed?

 

[canadyjd]

A year ago 74% of Republicans wanted to see Trump run in 2024. Now that has fallen to 33%.

It seems much of this is related to a few factors - how Trump has conducted himself post election, Trumps role in sabotaging the never to materialize "red wave", some facts that have come out in the past year, etc.

But among Republicans there is still a desire to keep the platform, just not Trump.

So how do you think this will turn out?

If not chosen as the GOP candidate, will Trump run and split the party (guaranteeing a DNC win)?

Will a Trump endorsement have the same negative effect we saw in the past midterm election?

How should the GOP proceed? How should Trump proceed?

I have no problem with Trump taking his case to the American people and seeking the GOP nomination. The GOP should proceed as they always should, staying out of the primaries and supporting the nominee chosen by the people.

If he loses, I don’t think Trump will run third party. Beyond that, I’m not going to predict anything Trump might do.

I will not support him in the primaries. If he wins, I’ll vote for him.

For all the folks telling Trump supporters to just suck it up and vote for the nominee, you are forgetting the huge opposition Trump faced from people within the GOP. They stated plainly they’d rather have a Dem than support Trump.

I suspect many Trump supporters will have long memories about that.

peace to you

 

[Revmitchell]

I am surprised there hasn't been an attempt on Trumps life yet. If it ever looks like he would win it will likely mean his life. The one world government will no longer abide men like Trump. At the WEF recently it was said that God is dead, Jesus is a myth, and the WEF has divine powers to rule over the world. Bill gates said it is better to not fire teachers than to sustain an elderly persons life who has an illness. According to some at the WEF we are all soulless animals who do not have free will to rule ourselves. The great American experiment is over. Conservatism will be beat down to nothing anywhere in the world. self autonomy will not exist soon.

 

[just-want-peace]

I am surprised there hasn't been an attempt on Trumps life yet. If it ever looks like he would win it will likely mean his life. The one world government will no longer abide men like Trump. At the WEF recently it was said that God is dead, Jesus is a myth, and the WEF has divine powers to rule over the world. Bill gates said it is better to not fire teachers than to sustain an elderly persons life who has an illness. According to some at the WEF we are all soulless animals who do not have free will to rule ourselves. The great American experiment is over. Conservatism will be beat down to nothing anywhere in the world. self autonomy will not exist soon.

Normally have an optimistic outlook, but concerning the future of this country I tend to agree with you.
Many on this board have allowed their view of Trump to be colored by the barking of the MSM; even to the point they actually sound like an MSM employee. Trump exposed the swamp, but it seems that as more is exposed, the more this board decides Trump’s effectiveness is immaterial - judge only his speech according to the MSM interpretation.
Ah well, our gov’t was fine for many decades, knew it wouldn’t last forever!!
PITY!!

 

[JonC]

I am surprised there hasn't been an attempt on Trumps life yet. If it ever looks like he would win it will likely mean his life. The one world government will no longer abide men like Trump. At the WEF recently it was said that God is dead, Jesus is a myth, and the WEF has divine powers to rule over the world. Bill gates said it is better to not fire teachers than to sustain an elderly persons life who has an illness. According to some at the WEF we are all soulless animals who do not have free will to rule ourselves. The great American experiment is over. Conservatism will be beat down to nothing anywhere in the world. self autonomy will not exist soon.

The one political system is definitely against anybody who is not a part of the system. That is one reason they didn't like Trump.

But now tables have turned. TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) is now a disease affecting the alt-right. The Dems have TFS (Trump Fixation Syndrome).

Interestingly enough the symptoms ate the same - sheeple simply can't move on.

But now is the perfect time for the GOP and true conservatives.

Let the DNC fixate on Trump, the 2020 election, and Jan 6.

Ditch Trump (he is no longer a viable candidate) and move on to concentrating on the future of America. Hit the Dems whike they are stuck looking back.

The GOP needs to make it clear that Trump is a lost cause, take his platform and come up with several potential nominees.

But they need to start now and not wait until a year before the election.

 

[JonC]

Normally have an optimistic outlook, but concerning the future of this country I tend to agree with you.
Many on this board have allowed their view of Trump to be colored by the barking of the MSM; even to the point they actually sound like an MSM employee. Trump exposed the swamp, but it seems that as more is exposed, the more this board decides Trump’s effectiveness is immaterial - judge only his speech according to the MSM interpretation.
Ah well, our gov’t was fine for many decades, knew it wouldn’t last forever!!
PITY!!

I agree.

One of the absolute best things Trump did was shine light on the Swamp (both the DNC and the GOP). Neither side liked having a non-career politician as POTUS.

It is post-election that has cemented Trump's status as a liability.

I wish Trump had simply conceded that the 2020 election was lost - even if by fraud- and looked to 2024.

But he didn't. Now, right or wrong, Trump is toxic to any hope of defeating the DNC in 2024. The 2022 midterms demonstrated this. Had Trump backed away quietly the GOP may possibly control the Senate and have a strong hold in the House. But he didn't.

The things that made Trump a strong businessman and President are proving to be his downfall.

 

[Revmitchell]

Normally have an optimistic outlook, but concerning the future of this country I tend to agree with you.
Many on this board have allowed their view of Trump to be colored by the barking of the MSM; even to the point they actually sound like an MSM employee. Trump exposed the swamp, but it seems that as more is exposed, the more this board decides Trump’s effectiveness is immaterial - judge only his speech according to the MSM interpretation.
Ah well, our gov’t was fine for many decades, knew it wouldn’t last forever!!
PITY!!

At this point I am just waiting to hear the Trumpet sound.

 

[canadyjd]

I am surprised there hasn't been an attempt on Trumps life yet. If it ever looks like he would win it will likely mean his life. The one world government will no longer abide men like Trump. At the WEF recently it was said that God is dead, Jesus is a myth, and the WEF has divine powers to rule over the world. Bill gates said it is better to not fire teachers than to sustain an elderly persons life who has an illness. According to some at the WEF we are all soulless animals who do not have free will to rule ourselves. The great American experiment is over. Conservatism will be beat down to nothing anywhere in the world. self autonomy will not exist soon.

Uhhhh Merry Christmas to you too?

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

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The GOP needs to make it clear that Trump is a lost cause, take his platform and come up with several potential nominees.

But they need to start now and not wait until a year before the election.

That is a really bad idea, imo. Trump got 75 million votes. Even if you believe the hard core Trump support is 30%, you are still looking at 25 million voters.

If the GOP actively tries to ditch Trump, they will lose so many voters they might never recover. Remember, the GOP has traditionally stayed neutral in the primaries.

What you are saying is no different than Jeb Bush privately telling the party elites he intended to win the nomination without the base.

Such thinking paved the way for a Trump presidency.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

That is a really bad idea, imo. Trump got 75 million votes. Even if you believe the hard core Trump support is 30%, you are still looking at 25 million voters.

If the GOP actively tries to ditch Trump, they will lose so many voters they might never recover. Remember, the GOP has traditionally stayed neutral in the primaries.

What you are saying is no different than Jeb Bush privately telling the party elites he intended to win the nomination without the base.

Such thinking paved the way for a Trump presidency.

peace to you

The GOP is in a difficult spot. If they ditch Trump they lose votes. If they keep Trump they lose votes.

If, however, Trump himself draws back then the GOP is rescued from that spot.


I think the crux of the issue is how the GOP would fare against the DNC with Trump running as the GOP nominee.

We already know that a substantial portion of Republicans would not vote for Trump. Some may vote for the DNC candidate, others for an independent.

A Trump nominee would place the election in the hands of the DNC (of their nominee, if not Biden).

A Trump GOP nominee vs a moderate DNC nominee would mean a DNC win (probably for two terms). Biden vs Trump would probably be a Biden win.

Now...Trump vs Harris may offer a glimmer of hope.

BUT if the GOP keeps Trump's platform with a better nominee then the DNC would have cause to worry.

 

[AVL1984]

Let's pray he doesn't run again. He is not a good fit for the position.

 

[xlsdraw]

I am surprised there hasn't been an attempt on Trumps life yet. If it ever looks like he would win it will likely mean his life. The one world government will no longer abide men like Trump. At the WEF recently it was said that God is dead, Jesus is a myth, and the WEF has divine powers to rule over the world. Bill gates said it is better to not fire teachers than to sustain an elderly persons life who has an illness. According to some at the WEF we are all soulless animals who do not have free will to rule ourselves. The great American experiment is over. Conservatism will be beat down to nothing anywhere in the world. self autonomy will not exist soon.

Exactly as prophecied. The "falling away" started a long time ago.

 

[JonC]

Exactly as prophecied. The "falling away" started a long time ago.

I'm not sure that Trump (or people's rejection of Trump) is any indication of the "falling away".

I think what Scripture generally points to with people "falling away" is departing from the faith, not a politician.

 

[JonC]

Let's pray he doesn't run again. He is not a good fit for the position.

I look at it this way:

Look at Trump.
Look at Biden.

If these two are really the best we have to offer then we're pretty much done as a nation.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The GOP is in a difficult spot. If they ditch Trump they lose votes. If they keep Trump they lose votes.

If, however, Trump himself draws back then the GOP is rescued from that spot.


I think the crux of the issue is how the GOP would fare against the DNC with Trump running as the GOP nominee.

We already know that a substantial portion of Republicans would not vote for Trump. Some may vote for the DNC candidate, others for an independent.

A Trump nominee would place the election in the hands of the DNC (of their nominee, if not Biden).

A Trump GOP nominee vs a moderate DNC nominee would mean a DNC win (probably for two terms). Biden vs Trump would probably be a Biden win.

Now...Trump vs Harris may offer a glimmer of hope.

BUT if the GOP keeps Trump's platform with a better nominee then the DNC would have cause to worry.

Not sure what to make of all that, but it seems to ignore some serious realities.

What is a Trump nominee?

Trump’s platform is Trump’s platform, not the Reps’ platform. A Rep running on Trump’s platform with intentions of actually pursuing it would be aligned with Trump by default.

A Rep running on a typical lackluster Rep platform will not be enough motivation.

Trump has been a huge fundraiser for the Reps. If he is sidelined, whether by himself or by the will of others, there is no one with the following or the clout to replace him in that capacity.

But the main problem still remains, namely the Dem Progressive Left now has in place a massive election fraud apparatus. Until that is dismantled, they are the heavy favorite regardless of the candidates. The Dems have already proven that.

 

[JonC]

Not sure what to make of all that, but it seems to ignore some serious realities.

What is a Trump nominee?

Trump’s platform is Trump’s platform, not the Reps’ platform. A Rep running on Trump’s platform with intentions of actually pursuing it would be aligned with Trump by default.

A Rep running on a typical lackluster Rep platform will not be enough motivation.

Trump has been a huge fundraiser for the Reps. If he is sidelined, whether by himself or by the will of others, there is no one with the following or the clout to replace him in that capacity.

But the main problem still remains, namely the Dem Progressive Left now has in place a massive election fraud apparatus. Until that is dismantled, they are the heavy favorite regardless of the candidates. The Dems have already proven that.

The GOP will select a presidential nominee at the 2024 Republican National Convention. If Trump is nominated then he will be the 2024 Republican nominee (he will be the GOP candidate for the office of President).

The GOP platform (the Trump Administration platform for term he served as POTUS) is something many Republicans can get behind, even if they can't get behind Trump.

We do not know the degree of fraud. Trump said he won GA. But the evidence, unfortunately, points to a Biden win. Other claims could be the same.

States need to do a better job against voter fraud - regardless of whether it is Republican fraud (like the official looking uniforms used in CA for door to door canvassing) or Democrat fraud (like dead people voting).

But the 2020 election pretty much discredits the idea that one party steals entire elections. But it is always the claim (no matter we which party wins).

 

[AustinC]

We should understand that our society is economically illiterate and therefore it cannot see nor fathom the doom that is on the horizon. Like the Jews in Jerusalem during Jesus advent who admired the temple and could not imagine it's destruction, so people in the US cannot fathom the destruction God is about to rain down upon this land. May God have mercy on all of us who are marked by his angels.

 

[JonC]

It all boils down to talking points. Highlight unemployment rate, inflation, ect. and sheeple will follow peacefully if you are their leader.

The GOP now cry inflation while the DNC points to the fact Biden has a lower unemployment rate. If inflation was down Biden would be praising that while the GOP would be complaining about unemployment.

Yet a basic (a very basic) fact is inflation and unemployment vary inversely.

My point is economics take a back seat to political camps. It isn't that sheeple don't know, it's about what they can or cannot use as talking points.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

If Trump is really as bad as supposed, then everything he stood for is tainted. The Reps did not have his platform before and in fact opposed it his first two years, when it was most likely to be achievable. The Dems undid all of Trump’s executive orders that were helping heal the country.

Trusting the Reps to advance Trump’s platform without him is unreasonable. It's too difficult, if they even desire it. And without Trump, they just don’t have the ability to motivate the troops or raise much money. If Trump is really as bad as supposed, he will not be able to help, as attempts would only backfire.

 

[JonC]

If Trump is really as bad as supposed, then everything he stood for is tainted. The Reps did not have his platform before and in fact opposed it his first two years, when it was most likely to be achievable. The Dems undid all of Trump’s executive orders that were helping heal the country.

Trusting the Reps to advance Trump’s platform without him is unreasonable. It's too difficult, if they even desire it. And without Trump, they just don’t have the ability to motivate the troops or raise much money. If Trump is really as bad as supposed, he will not be able to help, as attempts would only backfire.

Not at all. For the most part Trump's platform was simply the Republican platform.

That said, it is true that Trump assistance in the 2024 election has a chance to backfire. It did with the 2022 midterm election. The DNC was not the only reason there was no "red wave".

The GOP would do well to keep Trumps platform as over 75% of Republicans like the platform. But with only a 33% approval rate among Republicans, Trump would be a very poor choice.