Trump Administration's COVID Test Deserves Blame for Lengthy Return to Normalcy

[Benjamin]

Well there it is folks, Dr. Ben with his advanced medical degree in PT has spoken and his word is indisputable fact.
I will tell you the truth, it wouldn’t have mattered to me because my mind has already been made up about trump. If a tragedy happens on the President (or any leaders watch) then they must go. This happens in business, this happens in the private sector.... it’s unvarnished capitalism and it needs to happen here. The buck stops here as Harry Truman was famous for immortalizing and its time for trump to pay the price.

I might would address the fallaciousness of your reasoning but I'm figuring you've got enough on your mind to deal with.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Well there it is folks, Dr. with his advanced medical degree in PT has spoken and his word is indisputable fact.
I will tell you the truth, it wouldn’t have mattered to me because my mind has already been made up about trump. If a tragedy happens on the President (or any leaders watch) then they must go. This happens in business, this happens in the private sector.... it’s unvarnished capitalism and it needs to happen here. The buck stops here as Harry Truman was famous for immortalizing and its time for trump to pay the price.

I might would address the fallaciousness of your reasoning but I'm figuring you've got enough on your mind to deal with.

Ben, I was in ER all last night. I’m tired. We are blessed that they moved quickly to eradicate kidney failure. With that said I stand on both my past experiences with this guy and in his performance presently. I detest him as a human being but I understand your position. Just note that I’m not a left winger... rather I’m a capitalist and my words are always tempered by achieving maximum profits. If trump can make that happen from now to November then I will be pleased. He recently bought a pizza from my cousin in Scranton ... but then so did Hilary Clinton buy one at my other cousin years ago. You know we Italians are all related. Especially in that town.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I’m not going to look up Jeremiah 6, but I’ll guess the context. False prophets/priests were advising the King of Israel that Babylon would not attack. Their prophecy was of “peace” and Jeremiah contradicted them saying there would be no peace.

On the other hand, Psalm 34:14 tells us “seek peace and pursue it”.

peace to you

Sure but recognize that it’s a sinful world that will not be satisfied with a probity stance. Even Jesus was tempted. So you can speak to the entire world and just be ignored.

 

[canadyjd]

Oh, I see. When entrenched bureaucrats in the CDC say something, Trump blindly follows. Especially when it comes to the critical decision regarding balancing public health concerns with the economy and well-being of working people. I guess the bureaucrats in the CDC are not worthy of being drained from the swamp.

It’s just inaccurate to say he “blindly” follows their advice. POT:S understands the need and role of government agencies. He gets a variety of opinions and then makes the decision.

The “experts” thought it unnecessary to restrict flights from Ch:na and Europe. POT:S made the decision against their advice.

Now the experts realize POT:S was right and estimate that one decision saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

Peace to you

 

[InTheLight]

There were no tests at the beginning of this, period! The WHO certainly didn't have any tests to pass around. This imaginary hindsight testing narrative is a joke. You have simply bought into this strange narrative to blame Trump for not testing properly based on some ridiculous premises despite the US quickly developing the fastest and most inclusive testing in the world.

Coronavirus: German company developed 1.4m tests in six weeks while US production stalled
Government was slow to work with private companies on making tests, even as its efforts were shown to be failing

March 17, 2020
When Olfert Landt heard about the coronavirus, he got busy.

The founder of a small Berlin-based company, the ponytailed 54-year-old first raced to help German researchers come up with a diagnostic test and then spurred his company to produce more than 1.4 million tests for the World Health Organisation (WHO) by the end of February.

“My wife and I have been working 16 hours a day, seven days a week, ever since,” said Mr Landt by phone about 1am on Friday, Berlin time. “Our days are full.”

By contrast, over the same critical period, US efforts to distribute tests ground nearly to a halt, and the country’s inability to produce them left public health officials with limited means to determine where and how fast the virus was spreading. From mid-January until 28 February, fewer than 4,000 tests from the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) were used out of more 160,000 produced.
German company developed 1.4m coronavirus tests while US production stalled?


Key Missteps at the CDC Have Set Back Its Ability to Detect the Potential Spread of Coronavirus
The CDC designed a flawed test for COVID-19, then took weeks to figure out a fix so state and local labs could use it.

Feb 28, 2020
As the highly infectious coronavirus jumped from China to country after country in January and February, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lost valuable weeks that could have been used to track its possible spread in the United States because it insisted upon devising its own test.

The federal agency shunned the World Health Organization test guidelines used by other countries and set out to create a more complicated test of its own that could identify a range of similar viruses. But when it was sent to labs across the country in the first week of February, it didn’t work as expected. The CDC test correctly identified COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus. But in all but a handful of state labs, it falsely flagged the presence of the other viruses in harmless samples.

Key Missteps at the CDC Have Set Back Its Ability to Detect the Potential Spread of Coronavirus — ProPublica

I was thinking you'd gotten over your NeverTrump/TDS mindset but apparently the nearing election has rekindled your fire and you are jumping on and repeating this type of propaganda for people like EWF to suck up as fact... I'm not buying it and rather surprised that you would but that is obviously your choice.

I'm interested in facts, not accusations of TDS. Deal with the facts, don't attack me and try to dismiss facts as propaganda.

 

[canadyjd]

Sure but recognize that it’s a sinful world that will not be satisfied with a probity stance. Even Jesus was tempted. So you can speak to the entire world and just be ignored.

You can ignore all calls to seek peace. But you don’t speak for the world.

And even if ever other person on the planet stood up and shook their fists at God and said “There can be no peace!”, I’m still going to follow scripture and pray....

peace to you

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

You are fearful and that’s not a good look.

You could die at anytime.... in a car crash, of cancer, of a sudden heart attack.... that’s all in the lords hands, not yours and not mine and that’s the only way you will find peace. And yes politics and politicians don’t impress me on either side. All I have is allegiance to God, family, my morality and to knowing that one day I will die and see my Lord.

LOL. Speaking of looks, I'm calling you on this one. You have an obvious and stated personal vendetta against Trump, to which you constantly express extreme loyalty, to the point you embrace and promote the worst of your "excreted" politicians. If you think that ultra-TDS politics looks good on you, you are sadly, badly deceived. Perhaps it's time you go "look in the mirror" for a change. Just sayin'.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

...
I will tell you the truth, it wouldn’t have mattered to me because my mind has already been made up about trump. If a tragedy happens on the President (or any leaders watch) then they must go. This happens in business, this happens in the private sector.... it’s unvarnished capitalism and it needs to happen here. The buck stops here as Harry Truman was famous for immortalizing and its time for trump to pay the price.

Over and over you keep spouting this utter nonsense. The Dems have been working savagely to sabotage the Trump administration and this country and blame it all on Trump ever since Trump was the Republican nominee. To say the Dems now deserve to run and further ruin the country is pure insanity, which TDS seems to emulate.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You can ignore all calls to seek peace. But you don’t speak for the world.

And even if ever other person on the planet stood up and shook their fists at God and said “There can be no peace!”, I’m still going to follow scripture and pray....

peace to you

I don’t want the peace you espouse. It is false.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Over and over you keep spouting this utter nonsense. The Dems have been working savagely to sabotage the Trump administration and this country and blame it all on Trump ever since Trump was the Republican nominee. To say the Dems now deserve to run and further ruin the country is pure insanity, which TDS seems to emulate.

Trump doesn’t control the country....grow up, your about to loose and your going to have to deal with it and all the fear freaks that espouse your trumpian nonsense.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

LOL. Speaking of looks, I'm calling you on this one. You have an obvious and stated personal vendetta against Trump, to which you constantly express extreme loyalty, to the point you embrace and promote the worst of your "excreted" politicians. If you think that ultra-TDS politics looks good on you, you are sadly, badly deceived. Perhaps it's time you go "look in the mirror" for a change. Just sayin'.

I told you I despise the guy and I have a list Of greviences, a long list. Trump land does not factor into my life but he does yours and all fear freaks who need, want and desire status quo to be at peace... where there can be no peace. It is you my friend who needs to take a look in the mirror and let me help you. Imagine all your worst nightmares come true... what are you going to do? That is after you wet the bed and soil yourself. Can’t deal with it can you? Well grow up butter cup, because unless I miss my guess, your going to loose... deal with that man in the mirror.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I told you I despise the guy and I have a list Of greviences, a long list. Trump land does not factor into my life but he does yours and all fear freaks who need, want and desire status quo to be at peace... where there can be no peace. It is you my friend who needs to take a look in the mirror and let me help you. Imagine all your worst nightmares come true... what are you going to do? That is after you wet the bed and soil yourself. Can’t deal with it can you? Well grow up butter cup, because unless I miss my guess, your going to loose... deal with that man in the mirror.

All of your projecting and assuming and hating and detesting is keeping you from good judgment. And you obviously missed my allusion.

 

[canadyjd]

All of your projecting and assuming and hating and detesting is keeping you from good judgment. And you obviously missed my allusion.

Missing much more than the allusion.

peace to you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

All of your projecting and assuming and hating and detesting is keeping you from good judgment. And you obviously missed my allusion.

Buddy, you are delusional to think you have anything but faulty rubbish judgement. Of course that’s yours to have to deal with so don’t put your victim world view on me... I refuse to be influenced by your trite rhetoric. And I don’t respond to sentimental and fearful undertones which you adhere to. A truest strong man is never those things. He never considers others. He never fights for others like you trumpian types do. He fights only for himself. All the rest is weakness.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Missing much more than the allusion.

peace to you

LOL... not much of an intellectual are you. Since you haven’t studied Jeremiah and attempted even read his commentary, how do you square that with your faith teaching?

 

[canadyjd]

LOL... not much of an intellectual are you. Since you haven’t studied Jeremiah and attempted even read his commentary, how do you square that with your faith teaching?

I never stated that I haven’t studied Jeremiah. I said I didn’t even have to look up Jeremiah 6 to understand the context.

And if your version of being an “intellectual” causes you to wallow in hatred, name calling, and continuous denial of scripture, I’ll let you have your version of being an “intellectual”.

peace to you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I never stated that I haven’t studied Jeremiah. I said I didn’t even have to look up Jeremiah 6 to understand the context.

And if your version of being an “intellectual” causes you to wallow in hatred, name calling, and continuous denial of scripture, I’ll let you have your version of being an “intellectual”.

peace to you

quite the contrary, it’s probably you who wallows in hatred and your remarks prove it. I do see however that you are an idealist and you see that idealism is for those who cannot come to terms with reality ie the world as it is. The sooner that you can come to terms with it, the sooner you will find that inner nirvana you so desperately want... to thine own self be true

 

[InTheLight]

You have simply bought into this strange narrative to blame Trump for not testing properly based on some ridiculous premises despite the US quickly developing the fastest and most inclusive testing in the world.

The United States badly bungled coronavirus testing—but things may soon improve

February 28, 2020
Speed is critical in the response to COVID-19. So why has the United States been so slow in its attempt to develop reliable diagnostic tests and use them widely?

The World Health Organization (WHO) has shipped testing kits to 57 countries. China had five commercial tests on the market 1 month ago and can now do up to 1.6 million tests a week; South Korea has tested 65,000 people so far. The U. S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), in contrast, has done only 459 tests since the epidemic began. The rollout of a CDC-designed test kit to state and local labs has become a fiasco because it contained a faulty reagent. Labs around the country eager to test more suspected cases—and test them faster—have been unable to do so. No commercial or state labs have the approval to use their own tests.

In what is already an infamous snafu, CDC initially refused a request to test a patient in Northern California who turned out to be the first probable COVID19 case without known links to an infected person.

The United States badly bungled coronavirus testing—but things may soon improve


Why the CDC botched its coronavirus testing

March 5, 2020
Few health institutions around the world are as renowned as the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Which makes it all the more baffling that the CDC could have fumbled the rollout of coronavirus diagnostic tests throughout the country so badly. While other countries have been able to run millions of tests, the CDC has tested only 1,235 patients. Speed is of the essence when dealing with an epidemic early, and the CDC’s mistakes are already proving costly to tracking the outbreak in the US.
Why the CDC botched its coronavirus testing

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The United States badly bungled coronavirus testing—but things may soon improve

February 28, 2020
Speed is critical in the response to COVID-19. So why has the United States been so slow in its attempt to develop reliable diagnostic tests and use them widely?

The World Health Organization (WHO) has shipped testing kits to 57 countries. China had five commercial tests on the market 1 month ago and can now do up to 1.6 million tests a week; South Korea has tested 65,000 people so far. The U. S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), in contrast, has done only 459 tests since the epidemic began. The rollout of a CDC-designed test kit to state and local labs has become a fiasco because it contained a faulty reagent. Labs around the country eager to test more suspected cases—and test them faster—have been unable to do so. No commercial or state labs have the approval to use their own tests.

In what is already an infamous snafu, CDC initially refused a request to test a patient in Northern California who turned out to be the first probable COVID19 case without known links to an infected person.

The United States badly bungled coronavirus testing—but things may soon improve


Why the CDC botched its coronavirus testing

March 5, 2020
Few health institutions around the world are as renowned as the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Which makes it all the more baffling that the CDC could have fumbled the rollout of coronavirus diagnostic tests throughout the country so badly. While other countries have been able to run millions of tests, the CDC has tested only 1,235 patients. Speed is of the essence when dealing with an epidemic early, and the CDC’s mistakes are already proving costly to tracking the outbreak in the US.
Why the CDC botched its coronavirus testing

Finally... thanks for that information!

 

[canadyjd]

quite the contrary, it’s probably you who wallows in hatred and your remarks prove it. I do see however that you are an idealist and you see that idealism is for those who cannot come to terms with reality ie the world as it is. The sooner that you can come to terms with it, the sooner you will find that inner nirvana you so desperately want... to thine own self be true

I pity you. A Christian without peace or hope is a most pitiful creature.

I see quite clearly. I see the world as it is. It is God that gives me hope. It is Holy Spirit that gives me peace.

If you have no peace or hope.... well, as I said, I pity you.

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you