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Trump bans trans

Calminian

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I didn't realize there were currently transgenders in the military. He's going to catch hell from the media and Hollywood. But I think most of the country will support this. I'd be curious where the public stands. Even more where Christians stand.

Celebrities Melt Down over Trump’s Transgender Military Policy: ‘You Just Pissed Off the Wrong Community’
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by JEROME HUDSON26 Jul 201718,236

Hollywood stars took to social media Wednesday to express outrage over President Donald Trump’s announcement that transgender people will not be allowed to serve in the U.S. military, reversing former President Obama’s decision last year allowing them to do so.
“After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military,” President Trump tweeted Wednesday morning. “Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical cost and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you.”


The news spurred some stars to viciously attack the president, with some calling Trump a cruel bigot.

Star Trek actor and gay activist George Takei sent what appeared to be a threat to Trump, warning that he “just pissed off the wrong community” and said the president “will regret” this action.

Takei also tweeted: “History shall record that you are not only the stupidest, most incompetent president ever, but also the cruelest and pettiest. #Shame.” The actor also issued a call to action:

Director Paul Feig called Trump’s decision “disgraceful,” while noted Trump-basher and actor Rob Reiner called the president a “hateful human being.”

Below is a roundup of the rage Hollywood stars sent toward President Trump in the wake of his announcement.
 

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There is a legitimate argument regarding cost of medical procedures and drugs. I do not believe society should pay for the procedures to happen and be maintained.
The vitriol comes from those who are mentioned in Romans 1.
 

Calminian

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There is a legitimate argument regarding cost of medical procedures and drugs. I do not believe society should pay for the procedures to happen and be maintained.
The vitriol comes from those who are mentioned in Romans 1.

Indeed—a direct attack on God as Creator.

Christ said, "Have you not read, that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE." The ungodly loathe anything to do with gender distinctions, and transgender "technology," pathetic as it is, is the ultimate gesture against God as Creator.

My concern, though, is where the US citizens stand on this. Just 20 years ago, they would have supported this ban. Today, with a watered down Church that doesn't stand on biblical creation anymore, we're seeing our nation fulfill Romans 1. I hope I'm wrong.
 

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If anything, this just proves that his decision is logical, moral, and common sense.
These yoyos truly have no idea of their exaggerated self-esteem, and how totally immaterial to the vast majority of citizens their elitest opinions are!!
 

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If anything, this just proves that his decision is logical, moral, and common sense.
These yoyos truly have no idea of their exaggerated self-esteem, and how totally immaterial to the vast majority of citizens their elitest opinions are!!

Lord, I hope you're right.
 

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Indeed—a direct attack on God as Creator.

Christ said, "Have you not read, that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE." The ungodly loathe anything to do with gender distinctions, and transgender "technology," pathetic as it is, is the ultimate gesture against God as Creator.

My concern, though, is where the US citizens stand on this. Just 20 years ago, they would have supported this ban. Today, with a watered down Church that doesn't stand on biblical creation anymore, we're seeing our nation fulfill Romans 1. I hope I'm wrong.
We are in a post-Christian society. Authentic Christianity is a fringe faith. The US is much like ancient Israel. We have an outward shell that's polished, but inside we are rotting.
The positive is that the darker our culture falls into sin, the brighter the light of God's grace shines. Look at China where Christianity is growing at rates faster than the early church grew. God has ordained this seeming chaos for his glory. He will use this to shine his light on the sins of the US people. I pray we are gracious ambassadors to others because we once were like them, broken in our sin.
 

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Good decision by Trump...if he follows through like he meant it.


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Calminian

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We are in a post-Christian society. Authentic Christianity is a fringe faith. The US is much like ancient Israel. We have an outward shell that's polished, but inside we are rotting.
The positive is that the darker our culture falls into sin, the brighter the light of God's grace shines. Look at China where Christianity is growing at rates faster than the early church grew. God has ordained this seeming chaos for his glory. He will use this to shine his light on the sins of the US people. I pray we are gracious ambassadors to others because we once were like them, broken in our sin.

Yes, but you're too easily excusing the backsliding Church in America. I don't believe God wants us backslide just so we can allow Him to shine his grace brighter. "may it never be."

I don't look at America backsliding as a culture problem, as much as a Church problem. We are directly to blame in many ways, and God will be grieved if we don't change, and start becoming more relevant in the culture.
 

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Yes, but you're too easily excusing the backsliding Church in America. I don't believe God wants us backslide just so we can allow Him to shine his grace brighter. "may it never be."

I don't look at America backsliding as a culture problem, as much as a Church problem. We are directly to blame in many ways, and God will be grieved if we don't change, and start becoming more relevant in the culture.
No excuses for a lukewarm church.
My point is that you should never expect rebels to God's Kingdom to live as citizens of the Kingdom.
Rebels act like rebels.
We are in a post-Christian society. Many churches are no longer a part of the Kingdom, but instead they deny the head of the church, Jesus. God will deal with these reprobate churches and pastors. That is not my role in the Kingdom. My role is to be an ambassador, preaching reconciliation.
 

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No excuses for a lukewarm church.
My point is that you should never expect rebels to God's Kingdom to live as citizens of the Kingdom.
Rebels act like rebels.
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I'd challenge you to rethink this. The Church was raised up to be a part of societies and to be salt and light. There was a time when America was not a post-Christian society. There was a time when the Church touched the culture, and influenced national thought.

I think the primary issue is compromise on Biblical Creation (something virtually all conservative seminaries have engaged in to one degree or another). Kids are indoctrinated daily and their pastors have no answers. Other compromises and contributing as well.

But I'm personally not wiling to throw in the towel on America just yet. Rebels will be rebels, but God will bless the Church that lifts up His Word.

We are in a post-Christian society. Many churches are no longer a part of the Kingdom, but instead they deny the head of the church, Jesus. God will deal with these reprobate churches and pastors. That is not my role in the Kingdom. My role is to be an ambassador, preaching reconciliation

True, but even the conservative Churches are falling into the devil's traps. Our seminaries need reformation badly. They no longer defend God's word. There are about 12 seminaries nationwide that stand on the book of Genesis and train their pastors to answer the difficult questions of our age. But most pastors (even godly pastors) are clueless.

Edit: actually it's gone up! Looks like AiG now lists 19 seminaries nationwide. Praise the Lord. It was just 7 when MacArthur wrote "Battle for the Beginning." (Most are Baptist, though. I see a couple reformed, but most of our reformed Seminaries are MIA.)

I believe God will bless the Church in its efforts if it will return to His word and defend it. Rebels will be rebels, but the problem in America is the Church.
 

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I'd challenge you to rethink this. The Church was raised up to be a part of societies and to be salt and light. There was a time when America was not a post-Christian society. There was a time when the Church touched the culture, and influenced national thought.

I think the primary issue is compromise on Biblical Creation (something virtually all conservative seminaries have engaged in to one degree or another). Kids are indoctrinated daily and their pastors have no answers. Other compromises and contributing as well.

But I'm personally not wiling to throw in the towel on America just yet. Rebels will be rebels, but God will bless the Church that lifts up His Word.



True, but even the conservative Churches are falling into the devil's traps. Our seminaries need reformation badly. They no longer defend God's word. There are about 12 seminaries nationwide that stand on the book of Genesis and train their pastors to answer the difficult questions of our age. But most pastors (even godly pastors) are clueless.

Edit: actually it's gone up! Looks like AiG now lists 19 seminaries nationwide. Praise the Lord. It was just 7 when MacArthur wrote "Battle for the Beginning." (Most are Baptist, though. I see a couple reformed, but most of our reformed Seminaries are MIA.)

I believe God will bless the Church in its efforts if it will return to His word and defend it. Rebels will be rebels, but the problem in America is the Church.
No throwing in the towel. But, only God redeems and adopts people into his kingdom. We can use any tactic you can think of to get people to go to church, but going to church doesn't redeem anyone. We may have millions of rebels going to church in America. We may have thousands of pastors who are rebels in a robe. Those outward actions of holiness are empty of power.
If we want to see God change society then we had best stop condemning rebels for acting like they do and instead start praying fervently that God would choose to redeem these rebels.
 

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No throwing in the towel. But, only God redeems and adopts people into his kingdom.

It sounds like you use God's sovereignty as an excuse not to work. It should be the opposite. God's sovereignty should motivate us to want to work, and give us hope for success. Paul would definitely disagree with you, commanding us to be all things to all men that we may by all means save some. Paul had a correct view of sovereignty.

We can use any tactic you can think of to get people to go to church, but going to church doesn't redeem anyone.

Lifting up God's word and defending it from compromise is not a tactic. It's an act of trust and worship. I don't believe you can reason folks into the Kingdom, but I believe God can. Perhaps, in his sovereignty, He's waiting for us to become better tools in His hand.

If we want to see God change society then we had best stop condemning rebels for acting like they do and instead start praying fervently that God would choose to redeem these rebels.

But if I recall correctly, it was you that blamed the rebels and our post-Christian society. I didn't. I put the blame squarely on the Church and its mishandling of God's word.
 

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It sounds like you use God's sovereignty as an excuse not to work. It should be the opposite. God's sovereignty should motivate us to want to work, and give us hope for success. Paul would definitely disagree with you, commanding us to be all things to all men that we may by all means save some. Paul had a correct view of sovereignty.



Lifting up God's word and defending it from compromise is not a tactic. It's an act of trust and worship. I don't believe you can reason folks into the Kingdom, but I believe God can. Perhaps, in his sovereignty, He's waiting for us to become better tools in His hand.



But if I recall correctly, it was you that blamed the rebels and our post-Christian society. I didn't. I put the blame squarely on the Church and its mishandling of God's word.
Again, you are wrong in your judgment of what I am saying.
We must preach the message of reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5). But, I hear you calling for a message of condemnation and accusation. That message is from hell. Satan is the accuser and I want nothing to do with such a message.
The message is that humans are rebels to God. Law breakers who need reconciliation and pardon.
The only one who can get the message into the heart of a man is the Holy Spirit. That is God's job, not yours and not mine. Do not imagine that your words or actions save anyone. God and God alone saves/redeems.
We have a task. We are ambassadors of reconciliation.
 

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....But, I hear you calling for a message of condemnation and accusation. That message is from hell.

I noticed you began this with "i hear." Normally when someones starts that way, it's because he knows he doesn't have an actual quote. It's more a feeling. But prove me wrong. Show where I called for condemnation. I dare you.

Satan is the accuser and I want nothing to do with such a message.

Still no quote. Just more speculation and feelings. Quote please. Everything I've said is on record.

The message is that humans are rebels to God. Law breakers who need reconciliation and pardon.
The only one who can get the message into the heart of a man is the Holy Spirit. That is God's job, not yours and not mine.

You're at odds with Paul, not me. You have a false view of sovereignty. Paul told you to work and be all things to all men that some, by all means, might be saved. Take it up with him.

I never condemned you, but I have challenged you. The problem with America is not the rebels (as you originally pointed out), it is the Church. False views of sovereignty, failure to lift up and defend His Word.
 

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I noticed you began this with "i hear." Normally when someones starts that way, it's because he knows he doesn't have an actual quote. It's more a feeling. But prove me wrong. Show where I called for condemnation. I dare you.



Still no quote. Just more speculation and feelings. Quote please. Everything I've said is on record.



You're at odds with Paul, not me. You have a false view of sovereignty. Paul told you to work and be all things to all men the some, by all means might be saved. Take it up with him.

I never condemned you, but I have challenged you. The problem with America is not the rebels (as you originally pointed out), it is the Church. False views of sovereignty, failure to lift up and defend His Word.
[/QUOTE]Do you want to condemn people in the church, yes or no.
 

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Do you want to condemn people in the church, yes or no.

No, why do you ask? Better, yet, define condemn.[/QUOTE]There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

The elect of God will walk in step with the Spirit of God. Those unredeemed people in our churches need to hear the message of reconciliation. They are rebels coming to the sanctuary of God. When rebels come to church, they should feel convicted of their rebellion. If they don't then there is something wrong in the body of Christ.
 

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No, why do you ask? Better, yet, define condemn. There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

The elect of God will walk in step with the Spirit of God. Those unredeemed people in our churches need to hear the message of reconciliation. They are rebels coming to the sanctuary of God. When rebels come to church, they should feel convicted of their rebellion. If they don't then there is something wrong in the body of Christ.

Yes, this is true. And I believe at this time, there is something wrong with the body of Christ in America. I don't condemn them, they are my brothers. But there is something terribly wrong and we are losing the next generation.

Could be theological errors like false views of sovereignty which cause the Church to lay back and do nothing, could be other issues. I really believe comprise on Genesis is playing a major role.

And you are wrong, the elect are not infallible. I don't know where you got a doctrine like that. We need sharpening from one another continually.
 

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Yes, this is true. And I believe at this time, there is something wrong with the body of Christ in America. I don't condemn them, they are my brothers. But there is something terribly wrong and we are losing the next generation.

Could be theological errors like false views of sovereignty which cause the Church to lay back and do nothing, could be other issues. I really believe comprise on Genesis is playing a major role.

And you are wrong, the elect are not infallible. I don't know where you got a doctrine like that. We need sharpening from one another continually.
We are not losing the next generation. The next generation was born lost. Pray that God might, in his mercy and grace, reconcile them to Himself. The problem is not the next generation. The problem is that we have failed to be ambassadors of reconciliation to the next generation. We imagined that just growing up in the church would save them when we needed to pray that God would graciously reach out his hand and save them as he did for us.
Our failure is we have preached, but we haven't prayed.
 
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