Trump: Convince me without personal attacks

[StefanM]

How do you feel about the Constitution and the enumerated powers given to the Federal government? Shouldn't we abide by what it really says and not what some people want it to say?

I believe the principle of stare decisis is important for continuity in the rule of law, so I don't think we should necessarily undo tons of SCOTUS precedent. Some decisions, sure, but not most.

But, sure, we should abide by what it says, but that doesn't always mean a restrictive reading. The commerce clause really does give a lot of leeway. Wickard v. Filburn was a bogus decision, but now we have a whole lot of genuine interstate commerce.

Equal protection under the law is also very broad.

I believe states mostly have the right to do as they wish on issues only affecting their states, but they don't have the ability to override genuine Constitutional protections in doing so. It's a balance.

 

[StefanM]

The flat tax or even the "Fair Tax" would be the way to go. If I pay 18% on my 60K, the rich guy will pay 18% on his 50 million. There would be plenty of money for the Federal government. And yes, all deductions will be ended, plus the IRS could be cut down by three quarters. The "Fair Tax" would be even better as everyone, even people who work under the table, would be liable. Then we could get rid of the IRS entirely and have the Treasury Dept. handle the collections. It would be a big win for the nation.

The FairTax would be disastrous because it would discourage consumption, which would then undermine the entire tax structure. An income tax works because everyone needs to make money, but a sales tax doesn't have the same effect because a person can choose to spend very little in order to avoid tax.

A flat tax would at least be feasible, although I disagree with it.

 

[StefanM]

Presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton is praising the Supreme Court’s ruling on a 2013 Texas law that would have greatly reduced the number of abortion clinics in the state.

Earlier today Clinton voiced her satisfaction with the decision on Twitter.

“SCOTUS's decision is a victory for women in Texas and across America. Safe abortion should be a right—not just on paper, but in reality,” Clinton tweeted.



Clinton argued that the decision "is a reminder of how much is at stake in this election.”

“We need a President who will defend women’s health and rights and appoint Supreme Court justices who recognize Roe v. Wade as settled law,” according to an official statement released by her campaign.

Clinton also attacked Donald Trump's position on abortion. The presumptive Republican nominee has not commented on the Supreme Court decision.

Overall, Democratic lawmakers celebrated the 5-3 ruling, which is a major win for pro-choice advocates.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, who has said he would vote for Clinton in the November election but has yet to formally suspend his presidential campaign, also applauded the ruling.


“After all the progress we have made on women’s rights, we cannot go back to the days when women in America did not have the right to control their own bodies,” he said.

Former Republican presidential candidate and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz called the decision “profoundly disappointing.”

“The Supreme Court sided with abortion extremists who care more about providing abortion-on-demand than they do protecting women’s health,” Cruz said in a statement.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio also weighed in on the ruling.

“I'm incredibly disappointed in today's #SCOTUS ruling on abortion clinics in TX. I'll continue to fight for life and protect the unborn,” he tweeted.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hill...-texas-law-decision-victory/story?id=40160105

Does anyone on here think a vote for anyone but Trump is a viable option? I don't.

A person could vote 3rd party if not in a swing state.

 

[SovereignGrace]

A person could vote 3rd party if not in a swing state.

I agree with that and agree no one should vote for something oor someone if it violates their conscience. I think VA, PA, NY, OH, FL, WI, are the states most contested. CA is HilLIARly's w/o question. TX is Trump's. Trump will eat up most of the middle states, but their EV is small. He needs at least four of the states I mentioned to have any chance.

 

[StefanM]

I agree with that and agree no one should vote for something oor someone if it violates their conscience. I think VA, PA, NY, OH, FL, WI, are the states most contested. CA is HilLIARly's w/o question. TX is Trump's. Trump will eat up most of the middle states, but their EV is small. He needs at least four of the states I mentioned to have any chance.

I'd have an easier time being able to pull the lever (metaphorically now!) if Rubio, Kasich, Bush, or a couple others had been nominated.

Some things Trump says give me hope that he's a bit more moderate (on some issues) than his rhetoric can suggest. I would like to see a better health plan from him. Obamacare is deeply flawed, so it does need a major overhaul or replacement, but I would like a detailed plan. I'm not sure one will get through Congress.

Would President Trump repeal without a replacement? If so, that's a major issue for me on a personal level. I have a chronic, very serious illness, and one of my children has had cancer. Pre-existing condition exclusions, for instance, are rather ominous for my family. I want to see a plan that addresses these, and crossing-state-line plans don't cut it. Neither does block granting Medicaid. I want a real, substantive proposal.

After all, one problem with the ACA is that we didn't know what was in it until it was passed. I don't want to repeat that mistake.

Ideally, I would like to hear from Trump that he would only repeal if a simultaneous replacement is also implemented. Otherwise, "repeal and replace" would be rendered disingenuous at best.

 

[InTheLight]

You're one angry and confused puppy.

From some government website: In 2015, 80% of people in Obamacare had the option of signing up for a plan that costs them under $100/month. That's everyone, of all income levels. The tax credits are phased out with higher income. For 2016, the Obamacare penalty is $58/month. Anyone of modest income can get insurance for under $58, if not free.

EL-OH-EL!

$58 a month for individual health insurance?

Source: "From some government website."

Ha ha ha ha! Hee hee hee!

You've got to be a parody account. Got to be.



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[Jedi Knight]

Ouch, Obi-Wan. I feel a disturbance in the Force with that one!

Typos happen

 

[StefanM]

Typos happen

It wasn't even about a typo. It was the burn!

 

[Jedi Knight]

I'm just not sure that the "wall" is realistic. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. I wouldn't mind it, but Mexico isn't going to pay for it.

I think that every illegal here their government needs to be heavily fined.....hit them where it hurts and I bet they would cooperate to fix the problem! Call it a TAX PENALTY!!

 

[StefanM]

I think that every illegal here their government needs to be heavily fined.....hit them where it hurts and I bet they would cooperate to fix the problem! Call it a TAX PENALTY!!

The possibility of international implications would probably make just paying for the wall ourselves more cost effective.

 

[TCassidy]

I think that every illegal here their government needs to be heavily fined.....hit them where it hurts and I bet they would cooperate to fix the problem! Call it a TAX PENALTY!!

And how, exactly, do you collect a fine/tax from another independent, sovereign, country?

 

[Jedi Knight]

And how, exactly, do you collect a fine/tax from another independent, sovereign, country?

Mexico makes BILLIONS off us and there are MANY ways to hit a Pinata!

 

[Smyth]

EL-OH-EL!

$58 a month for individual health insurance?

Source: "From some government website."

Even a government website is better than the thin air you pull your information from.

 

[Internet Theologian]

Isn't it so sad to behold that so many people are so dependent upon what the government will do for them? Unbelievable. Just what it ordered.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” - Alexander Fraser Tytler

I don't think people really have spiritual concerns, or concerns for a return to God as much as they hope for a candidate that will make their lives more comfy, and will help instill laws that will help make the lost appear saved so that the saved aren't as offended.

 

[TCassidy]

Mexico makes BILLIONS off us and there are MANY ways to hit a Pinata!

You still have not said how you would accomplish that task.

 

[Jedi Knight]

You still have not said how you would accomplish that task.

Start with BILLIONS......from that and work you way through.

 

[TCassidy]

Start with BILLIONS......from that and work you way through.

Still no answer.

 

[HankD]

Cut off Mexico's nearly 800 million in foreign aid we give them while they thumb their nose at us.

http://listosaur.com/politics/top-10-recipients-of-united-states-foreign-aid/

HankD

 

[TCassidy]

Cut off Mexico's nearly 800 million in foreign aid we give them while they thumb their nose at us.

http://listosaur.com/politics/top-10-recipients-of-united-states-foreign-aid/

HankD

That's one approach. Shut down the maquiladora plants would be another. It would cripple their already stressed economy, but it would get their attention.

I own 4 vehicles. A Mercury Marquise. A Chevrolet Pickup. A Mercedes Benz SLK. And a Honda.

Two American and two foreign, right? Well, uh, no.

The "American" Mercury was made in Canada.

The "American" Chevrolet was made in Mexico.

The "foreign" Mercedes was made in Louisiana.

The "foreign" Honda was made in Ohio.

Go figure!

 

[Lewis]

And how, exactly, do you collect a fine/tax from another independent, sovereign, country?

Tax the remittances. Tom Tancredo has proposed this over the years.

Whether through Western Union, or online bank transfers, it is possible to tax them.

Remittances are a tax-free transfer of approximately $20 billion to Mexican every year.