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Trump declines request to lower flags in memory of Capital Gazette shooting victims

Yeshua1

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Exactly the opposite. Chicago's homicide rate has gone down relative to St. Louis and N Orleans and would come down further if sensible gun laws were in effect in the surrounding states. besides as the article points out the strict gun laws you talk about are no longer in effect in Chicago. What's your argument?
The point is thta you cannot restrict guns and solve the problem, as having more licensed guns actually shown to drive crime rate down, as is a deterrent to violence!
Was it any wonder the so called Joker killer of Aurora Co drove past 3 closer movie houeses in order to get to furthest one out, as he knew that one had a no gun policy, but the first 3 did not?
 

just-want-peace

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The point is thta you cannot restrict guns and solve the problem, as having more licensed guns actually shown to drive crime rate down, as is a deterrent to violence!
Was it any wonder the so called Joker killer of Aurora Co drove past 3 closer movie houeses in order to get to furthest one out, as he knew that one had a no gun policy, but the first 3 did not?

Waste of time to use facts to try to convince liberals that logic should take precedence over pseudo-emotion!!
 

FollowTheWay

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The point is thta you cannot restrict guns and solve the problem, as having more licensed guns actually shown to drive crime rate down, as is a deterrent to violence!
Was it any wonder the so called Joker killer of Aurora Co drove past 3 closer movie houeses in order to get to furthest one out, as he knew that one had a no gun policy, but the first 3 did not?
Show me proof not far right propaganda.
 

Yeshua1

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Show me proof not far right propaganda.
You really do not think a well armed population will help to lower crime, or to minimize say persons committing shootings? That church down south, where man killed believe 9 persons at a prayer meeting, if someone had a legit gunm, would haqve reduced that number down a lot!
 

FollowTheWay

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You really do not think a well armed population will help to lower crime, or to minimize say persons committing shootings? That church down south, where man killed believe 9 persons at a prayer meeting, if someone had a legit gunm, would haqve reduced that number down a lot!
We have more guns than any other nation and also the highest homicide rate per capita than any other developed nation. What evidence is there that more guns are the answer?
 

FollowTheWay

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The surrounding states have nothing to do with it. That is just an excuse.
If somebody can get a gun in Indiana easily (about 25 miles away from Chicago) they can definitely use it in Chicago to commit a homicide. Actually this is probably less of a factor now that the tough Chicago gun laws are no longer on the books.
 

church mouse guy

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If somebody can get a gun in Indiana easily (about 25 miles away from Chicago) they can definitely use it in Chicago to commit a homicide. Actually this is probably less of a factor now that the tough Chicago gun laws are no longer on the books.

That's an old Obama line. We have the same gun checks in Indiana as anywhere else. If a person in Indiana can legally carry a gun, he cannot carry it to Illinois because they will arrest him and confiscate the gun.

Why wasn't the newspaper pressroom a gun free zone?
 

FollowTheWay

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That's an old Obama line. We have the same gun checks in Indiana as anywhere else. If a person in Indiana can legally carry a gun, he cannot carry it to Illinois because they will arrest him and confiscate the gun.

Why wasn't the newspaper pressroom a gun free zone?
Gun laws vary for different states. Indiana does not 'have the same gun laws as anywhere else."

https://gun.laws.com/state-gun-laws/indiana-gun-laws


State of Indiana proves to be one amongst the many states that have very few restrictions regarding firearms. The only real prohibition is in regards to the carrying of handguns. All firearms are not subject to any form of Indiana licensing, and the registration of guns or their owners is not necessary under Indiana law.

The purchasing of firearms is granted to those over the age of eighteen. The only exception instituted is if a minor with the proper consent by a parent or guardian wishes to purchase a firearm. It is illegal under Indian law to allow for the selling or purchasing of a firearm to a convicted felon, or an individual that is deemed to be addicted to drugs or alcohol. Those that are not mentally proficient to handle a firearm are also prohibited from purchasing firearms.

The carrying of a handgun is the only circumstance that requires Indiana licensing. Indiana licensing to carry a handgun is subject to an application that must be made to the chief law enforcement officer of the appropriate county or municipality in which the applicant resides, or has his current employment.

Indiana is a "Shall Issue" concealed carry state.
  • Shall-issue jurisdiction: one that requires a license to carry a concealed handgun, but where the granting of such licenses is subject only to meeting determinate criteria laid out in the law; the granting authority has no discretion in the awarding of the licenses, and there is no requirement of the applicant to demonstrate "good cause"
https://www.isba.org/ibj/2013/12/thenewillinoisconcealedcarrylaw

New Illinois Law
In a year's time, Illinois went from a complete ban on public carrying of firearms to a concealed carry law that's now being implemented.

On July 9, 2013, after much litigation and political wrangling, Illinois became the last state in the country to allow carrying firearms in public.

A 'shall issue' state. Illinois is now a "shall issue," not a "may issue" state.
This means that the Department must issue a license to an applicant who meets the requirements. The issuing entity in a "may issue" state has wider discretion to decide whether to issue a license to an applicant. Within 90 days of receiving a completed application, proper documentation, and fee, the Department "shall issue" a license to any applicant who meets the statutory qualifications.5
 

church mouse guy

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Gun laws vary for different states. Indiana does not 'have the same gun laws as anywhere else."

https://gun.laws.com/state-gun-laws/indiana-gun-laws


State of Indiana proves to be one amongst the many states that have very few restrictions regarding firearms. The only real prohibition is in regards to the carrying of handguns. All firearms are not subject to any form of Indiana licensing, and the registration of guns or their owners is not necessary under Indiana law.

The purchasing of firearms is granted to those over the age of eighteen. The only exception instituted is if a minor with the proper consent by a parent or guardian wishes to purchase a firearm. It is illegal under Indian law to allow for the selling or purchasing of a firearm to a convicted felon, or an individual that is deemed to be addicted to drugs or alcohol. Those that are not mentally proficient to handle a firearm are also prohibited from purchasing firearms.

The carrying of a handgun is the only circumstance that requires Indiana licensing. Indiana licensing to carry a handgun is subject to an application that must be made to the chief law enforcement officer of the appropriate county or municipality in which the applicant resides, or has his current employment.

Indiana is a "Shall Issue" concealed carry state.
  • Shall-issue jurisdiction: one that requires a license to carry a concealed handgun, but where the granting of such licenses is subject only to meeting determinate criteria laid out in the law; the granting authority has no discretion in the awarding of the licenses, and there is no requirement of the applicant to demonstrate "good cause"
https://www.isba.org/ibj/2013/12/thenewillinoisconcealedcarrylaw

New Illinois Law
In a year's time, Illinois went from a complete ban on public carrying of firearms to a concealed carry law that's now being implemented.

On July 9, 2013, after much litigation and political wrangling, Illinois became the last state in the country to allow carrying firearms in public.

A 'shall issue' state. Illinois is now a "shall issue," not a "may issue" state.
This means that the Department must issue a license to an applicant who meets the requirements. The issuing entity in a "may issue" state has wider discretion to decide whether to issue a license to an applicant. Within 90 days of receiving a completed application, proper documentation, and fee, the Department "shall issue" a license to any applicant who meets the statutory qualifications.5

No, Indiana does not register guns--wouldn't that be illegal? Instead, you must be licensed to carry. All purchases are subject to checks through the state police. An Indiana permit to carry is no good in Illinois so if you buy a gun in Gary to go back home to Chicago, you have violated Illinois law once you leave Indiana unless you have a permit to carry in Illinois, in which case you would not have gone to Indiana to buy a gun.

But you haven't answered the question as to why the liberal newspaper pressroom was not a gun-free zone?
 

Yeshua1

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We have more guns than any other nation and also the highest homicide rate per capita than any other developed nation. What evidence is there that more guns are the answer?
So if I was deciding to commit a robbery, I would choose to rob a store where I know they can conceal and blast me with a 44 magnum back, instead of going to a gun free zone store?
 

FollowTheWay

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You really do not think a well armed population will help to lower crime, or to minimize say persons committing shootings? That church down south, where man killed believe 9 persons at a prayer meeting, if someone had a legit gunm, would haqve reduced that number down a lot!
How about proof and not just propaganda? Statistics, comparisons with other countries, etc. will do.
 

Salty

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looks like we are getting way off subject - the title of this of this thread is
Trump declines request to lower flags in memory of Capital Gazette shooting victims
and here is my input.

The victims were not high govt officials.
I might understand if the Newspaper flew its Flag on the day of the funeral.
but this is not something for the POTUS to make a decision on.

 
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