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Trump Ending Anti-Christian Government Activities

Silverhair

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No, they are not.
Not in the context of who the Lord holds responsible to perform certain duties, it isn't.

It's not that the Lord does not love His chosen that are women...
It's that He has commanded that men fill these roles.;
Not to the woman's shame, but to the man's responsibility as the head of the woman and of the family ( 1 Corinthians 11:1-12 ).

Please read the Scriptures on this matter again, sir.

It is sad that you actually believe that God does not see those that are saved as being equal in His eyes.

If God wants to have women write and or teach then that is His right to do so. As Paul said in Php_1:14-17 "and most of the brothers and sisters...dare to speak the word with greater boldness and without fear. Some proclaim Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from goodwill...." Paul it would seem did not care who proclaimed the gospel as long as it was proclaimed. Php_1:18

"Paul's statements about women in submissive roles cannot be explained by the use of this hapax legomenon. It must be dealt with from a cultural perspective. God chose to reveal Himself into a specific cultural setting. Everything in that culture was/is not the will of God for all believers in all cultures in all ages (see Gordon Fee, Gospel and Spirit and How to Read the Bible For All Its Worth, pp. 83-86). The truth and power of the gospel radically changes human culture (i.e. slavery, male dominance). Arrogant, exploitive dominance is evil whether from men or women. There are two extremes to avoid: (1) women can do nothing (Ancient Near Eastern culture) and (2) women can do anything (modern western individualism). Believers (male and female) minister within their culture to maximize evangelism and discipleship, not personal agendas!" Utley

"...
in 1 Timothy 2 she is not permitted to teach or to “have authority over” a man. Full compliance with this text in the twentieth century would seem to rule out not only a woman’s preaching and teaching in the local church, but it also would seem to forbid her writing books on biblical subjects that men might read, teaching Bible or related subjects (including religious education) in Christian colleges or Bible institutes where men are in her classes, and teaching men in missionary situations. But those who argue against women teaching in the contemporary church seldom carry the interpretation this far. And almost always they make the matters about clothing in the preceding verse (1 Tim. 2:9) to be culturally relative." Gordon Fee, How to Read the Bible For All Its Worth, pp. 81 PDF
 

Cathode

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What is hard to understand. You seem to think God sees saved men and women differently.

13For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control. 15Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.”
 

Wesley Briggman

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No, they are not.
Not in the context of who the Lord holds responsible to perform certain duties, it isn't.

It's not that the Lord does not love His chosen that are women...
It's that He has commanded that men fill these roles.;
Not to the woman's shame, but to the man's responsibility as the head of the woman and of the family ( 1 Corinthians 11:1-12 ).

Please read the Scriptures on this matter again, sir.

Agreed.

[Tit 2:4-5 KJV] 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

[1Ti 5:8 KJV] 8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
 

Dave G

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It is sad that you actually believe that God does not see those that are saved as being equal in His eyes.
They are...except with regard to God-given roles within the family, and within the church of the living God.
If God wants to have women write and or teach then that is His right to do so
But He doesn't... and His word is clear on the matter;
At least to me.
 
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Dave G

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As Paul said in Php_1:14-17 "and most of the brothers and sisters...dare to speak the word with greater boldness and without fear. Some proclaim Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from goodwill....
" and many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: "
( Philippians 1:14-15 ).

I'm seeing something odd in the translation that you're quoting from.
Mine says, "brethren", while yours says, "brothers and sisters"... in the Greek, the word is "ἀδελφῶν", which means "brothers".

I don't see anywhere in the New Testament where the Lord has tasked women to be teachers and preachers.
Rather, quite the opposite.

Perhaps you might consider starting a thread and discussing the subject further?
The way I understand the purpose of this thread, it's about Mr. Trump ending anti-Christian activities on the part of the U.S. Government...
Something I never thought would be an issue in my lifetime.


I wish you well, sir, as always.
 
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Silverhair

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They are...except with regard to God-given roles within the family, and within the church of the living God.

But He doesn't... and His word is clear on the matter;
At least to me.

" and many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: "
( Philippians 1:14-15 ).

I'm seeing something odd in the translation that you're quoting from.
Mine says, "brethren", while yours says, "brother and sisters"... in the Greek, the word is "ἀδελφῶν", which means "brothers".

Perhaps you might consider starting a thread and discussing the subject further?
I have no wish to hijack this one to discuss what the Scriptures have to say about the roles of men and women within the church.

I wish you well, as always.

As you said His word is clear on the matter;

So now are you making the claim that in Php 1:14 "the brethren," means only men could speak out boldly? Or are you saying the women believers are not brethren?

Grk "brothers, {G80}" but the Greek word may be used for "brothers and sisters" or "fellow Christians" as here (cf. BDAG 18 s.v. ἀδελφός 1, where considerable nonbiblical evidence for the plural ἀδελφοί [adelphoi] meaning "brothers and sisters" is cited).
 
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