Trump is God's Punishment Upon America?

[AwesomeMachine]

I observe that some people on this board hold to the view in the title. Yet, I have never heard any rational evidence to confirm it. Is there anything President Trump stands for, or actually does, that would lead anyone to believe he wants something ungodly for the American people?

Upon analysis, and I'm not super big on news programs, I cannot find a single instance in which Trump wants something ungodly for America. There's a lot of name-calling. But that's it!

 

[MennoSota]

Your title doesn't seem to fit with your question.
If a person is not a Christian, can s/he want something Godly?
What we can say is that God has placed Donald Trump as President of the US, just as God placed Ahab as King of Israel. Whether his decisions align with God's moral laws has yet to be known.

 

[Revmitchell]

There are several testimonies in the Christian community that sat Trump has received the Lord.

 

[AwesomeMachine]

I'm saying, if President Trump is God's punishment upon our great nation, as some seem to interpret it, then it must be that he wants something ungodly for our nation's people. Otherwise, if Trump wants what is godly for America, he can't be a sign of God's punishment upon America, I think. But that's why I asked.

 

[Salty]

If Trump lost the election - we would have President Hillary............... Hmmmmm

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I'm saying, if President Trump is God's punishment upon our great nation, as some seem to interpret it, then it must be that he wants something ungodly for our nation's people. Otherwise, if Trump wants what is godly for America, he can't be a sign of God's punishment upon America, I think. But that's why I asked.

In the 1st place, why would God punish America?

 

[Reformed]

I'm saying, if President Trump is God's punishment upon our great nation, as some seem to interpret it, then it must be that he wants something ungodly for our nation's people. Otherwise, if Trump wants what is godly for America, he can't be a sign of God's punishment upon America, I think. But that's why I asked.

I do not think it is a matter of Trump having done something worthy of punishment. It is more a matter of the direction our nation is tracking in matters of morality, and our leaders are doing nothing to stem that negative track. Compare modern America to the nation of Judah. Judah went into captivity because of its generational sin, but along the way, the nation had some good kings. It did not have enough good kings to change the direction of the nation, but those good kings did stem the tide for a period of time. History will judge whether Donald Trump was a good or bad president. History will also judge America. In fact, history has already laid its claim on whether America is good or bad. A nation that has murdered nearly 60,000,000 babies and legalized Sodomite marriage cannot claim to be righteous. That is more important than who occupies the Oval Office.

 

[Reynolds]

I observe that some people on this board hold to the view in the title. Yet, I have never heard any rational evidence to confirm it. Is there anything President Trump stands for, or actually does, that would lead anyone to believe he wants something ungodly for the American people?

Upon analysis, and I'm not super big on news programs, I cannot find a single instance in which Trump wants something ungodly for America. There's a lot of name-calling. But that's it!

The Democrats are God's punishment to the U.S.A.

 

[AwesomeMachine]

The Bible seems to imply that those who speak the truth against a corrupt government shall be spared the punishment reserved for those who are complicit with government corruption and institutionalized sin.

For instance, those who seek or perform abortion shall be punished for it. Those who engage sodomite marriage shall also be punished. Along with those people, those who made the political decisions and/or failed to overturn those decisions shall share in the demise. And finally, those who failed to speak out against others complicit in institutionalized sin shall suffer punishment with the rest!

But those who speak the truth shall be spared, even though in the past the prophets were killed by the people.

 

[MennoSota]

I'm saying, if President Trump is God's punishment upon our great nation, as some seem to interpret it, then it must be that he wants something ungodly for our nation's people. Otherwise, if Trump wants what is godly for America, he can't be a sign of God's punishment upon America, I think. But that's why I asked.

Please read the book of Habakkuk and see what God did with Israel. Do not imagine that God does not use wicked people to accomplish His will. If He did not use wicked people, no human would ever be used by God.

 

[MennoSota]

The Bible seems to imply that those who speak the truth against a corrupt government shall be spared the punishment reserved for those who are complicit with government corruption and institutionalized sin.

For instance, those who seek or perform abortion shall be punished for it. Those who engage sodomite marriage shall also be punished. Along with those people, those who made the political decisions and/or failed to overturn those decisions shall share in the demise. And finally, those who failed to speak out against others complicit in institutionalized sin shall suffer punishment with the rest!

But those who speak the truth shall be spared, even though in the past the prophets were killed by the people.

There is no evidence for this. Contrary to your ideas, God often brings his elect through deep valleys and storms as His Kingdom moves forward.
God tells us we are aliens in a foreign land. Our task is to be ambassadors in rebel land, telling rebels that there is reconciliation with the King through the atoning work of Jesus.
Many ambassadors have died while sharing this message with rebels.

 

[Reformed]

The Bible seems to imply that those who speak the truth against a corrupt government shall be spared the punishment reserved for those who are complicit with government corruption and institutionalized sin.

For instance, those who seek or perform abortion shall be punished for it. Those who engage sodomite marriage shall also be punished. Along with those people, those who made the political decisions and/or failed to overturn those decisions shall share in the demise. And finally, those who failed to speak out against others complicit in institutionalized sin shall suffer punishment with the rest!

But those who speak the truth shall be spared, even though in the past the prophets were killed by the people.

Those who speak the truth shall be spared? Was Isaiah spared? Were all those who were killed by the Babylonians and Assyrians unbelievers? Certainly not! Many of the righteous perished. Steven indicated that the righteous suffered for their testimony (Acts 7:52). Every single Apostle, except John, became martyrs. I can continue. No. There is no promise that the righteous shall be spared in this life. But praise God that there is a life beyond this where the sting of death has been eliminated.

 

[Adonia]

Obama was our chastisement from God.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I observe that some people on this board hold to the view in the title. Yet, I have never heard any rational evidence to confirm it. Is there anything President Trump stands for, or actually does, that would lead anyone to believe he wants something ungodly for the American people?

Upon analysis, and I'm not super big on news programs, I cannot find a single instance in which Trump wants something ungodly for America. There's a lot of name-calling. But that's it!

God had nothing to do with this. This affliction we brought upon our-self.

So in your view being in favor of racism, white supremacy, ignoring the poor and ill and helping the rich become richer is godly? Really???

 

[Rippon]

So in your view being in favor of racism, white supremacy, ignoring the poor and ill and helping the rich become richer is godly? Really???

You are making false accusations. Why?

 

[JonC]

I would say that President Trump is God's judgment (not punishment) on America. I said the same of President Obama.

Personally, I believe the election can illustrate a secular side of Christianity as so many seek a form of godliness in social agendas.

 

[church mouse guy]

Trump's foreign policy is a mess. He wants to continue the fight in Afghanistan after all these years--I don't know why. And no one seems to know what to do with Iran and North Korea except kick the can down the road some more. In Latin America, apparently there is a consensus to take steps against Venezuela short of military intervention in a reversal of Obama's failed Latin American policy. Trump needs to fire General McMaster.

 

[Adonia]

God had nothing to do with this. This affliction we brought upon our-self.

So in your view being in favor of racism, white supremacy, ignoring the poor and ill and helping the rich become richer is godly? Really???

Please back up your charges. I fail to see where President Trump is guilty of any of them.

Now your "Dear Leader" Obama however was guilty of them all. He always sided with black people (racism and in this case black supremacy) and relations between the races got worse; continued on with keeping the poor enslaved to the government with monetary handouts and placing a 20 trillion debt upon us all; made our health care system worse with Obamacare; and last but not least took care of his fat cat friends on Wall Street and in Hollywood.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Please back up your charges. I fail to see where President Trump is guilty of any of them.

Then you will never see his evil.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I observe that some people on this board hold to the view in the title. Yet, I have never heard any rational evidence to confirm it. Is there anything President Trump stands for, or actually does, that would lead anyone to believe he wants something ungodly for the American people?

Upon analysis, and I'm not super big on news programs, I cannot find a single instance in which Trump wants something ungodly for America. There's a lot of name-calling. But that's it!

He wants to take away health insurance from millions of needy people. He wants to cut Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security. He wants to increase our already bloated defence budget by $50B. We already spend as much as the next 8 top countries combined. he want to cut taxes on the rich who are already not paying their fair share. The highest tax rate was much higher in America previously especially when we had to pay for wars (e.g. WWII and Viet Nam). We fought two long wars "off-budget) and now need to pay for them. Instead their cost was taken out of the Social Security fund and then added to the national debt. Inequality of wealth is really the major concern that is driving a lot of the unrest in America. His program which includes cutting inheritance taxes and not keeping the minimum wage up to date will increase that inequality.

Racism is at the highest level I've seen since the 1950's and Trump supports that. His head of the Dept. of Justice is a well-known racist. He is acting to destroy our public education. He appointed a head of the Dept. of Education who has no public school experience and who supports the failed concepts of charter schools and vouchers. He consorted with a foreign enemy (Russia) to change the outcome of the election. His supporters include Neo-Nazi's and the KKK. None of his cabinet members have the qualifications to perform their duties.

He professes to be a Christian but exhibits none of the characteristics of one. He used his "faith" simply to get the vote of evangelical Christians. He lies continually. He is against freedom of the press. I could go on and on. Either you see this mjkan for what he really is, a charlatan and a wanna-be dictator or you don't. Frankly, I'm, getting tired of pointing out the obvious.