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Trump Lied

Agent47

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There is only imaginary connection between violent video games and actual violent behavior. Video games are therefore a convenient excuse peddled by gun rights activists,who Trump panders to, in the light of overwhelming evidence that gun violence is directly related to the number of guns as well as their nature.

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The proliferation of violent video games has not coincided with spikes in youth violent crime. The number of violent youth offenders fell by more than half between 1994 and 2010, to 224 per 100,000 population, according to government statistics, while video game sales have more than doubled since 1996.

Shooting in the Dark


Trump and pro gun rights caught lying:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/5/2...blicans-no-evidence-dayton-el-paso-texas-ohio
 
Adonia

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Agent47 said:
There is only imaginary connection between violent video games and actual violent behavior. Video games are therefore a convenient excuse peddled by gun rights activists,who Trump panders to, in the light of overwhelming evidence that gun violence is directly related to the number of guns as well as their nature.

I quote:
The proliferation of violent video games has not coincided with spikes in youth violent crime. The number of violent youth offenders fell by more than half between 1994 and 2010, to 224 per 100,000 population, according to government statistics, while video game sales have more than doubled since 1996.

Shooting in the Dark


Trump and pro gun rights caught lying:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/5/2...blicans-no-evidence-dayton-el-paso-texas-ohio
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Like anything reported by the leftist New York Times can be believed? Pleeeeese! They have lied time and time again.
 
Benjamin

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There are many reasons that obsessive video gaming, which has increased substantially, cause poor social behavior some of which leads to actual violent behavior. Put down the video game controller and get a real life!
 
Agent47

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Benjamin said:
There are many reasons that obsessive video gaming, which has increased substantially, cause poor social behavior some of which leads to actual violent behavior. Put down the video game controller and get a real life!
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No empirical data supports your wild claims so they are dismissed with utter contempt. I never knew Trump was this ignorant, but I know he knows. He won't hesitate playing dumb if that's what it takes to defend gun rights gang.

Once again, violent games=/=violent gamers
 
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Agent47 said:
No empirical data supports your wild claims so they are dismissed with utter contempt. I never knew Trump was this ignorant, but I know he knows. He won't hesitate playing dumb if that's what it takes to defend gun rights gang.

Once again, violent games=/=violent gamers
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No one cares if you dismiss it. In fact we expect it. Your contempt is not our concern.
 
Scarlett O.

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From the OP's own link:

Here is what Trump actually said.

“We must stop the glorification of violence in our society,” he said. “This includes the gruesome and grisly video games that are now commonplace. It is too easy today for troubled youth to surround themselves with a culture that celebrates violence. We must stop or substantially reduce this, and it has to begin immediately.”

He didn't a video game was the cause of the shooting.

I don't think that's a lie. I think it's raising awareness to, as Trump stated, the "glorification of violence".

We DO have a culture that glorifies all kinds of violence - from sexual assault and rape glorified explicitly in an adult- only manner on Game of Thrones to the misogynistic/violent video games to song lyrics that glorify deadly violence - we ARE raising children and young people in a culture that creates an environment devoid of sensitivity to evil.

Did that makes these young people pick up a gun and kill people? Probably not specifically. But probably mixed with other factors - it didn't help at all.

I worked with teenagers for over 32 years. The culmination of access to porn, violence, hate, and more has changed who our children and young people are. No, they don't all commit these atrocities. But they are more tolerant of these things and as I have heard so many times, "I don't really see what's wrong with that show, book, game, lifestyle,.....".
 
Wesley Briggman

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Agent47 said:
...gun violence is directly related to the number of guns as well as their nature.
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What is the "nature" of guns?

I believe most of the gun violence is a result of actual or perceived threat to ones well-being. Such threats may or may not be in the near term but are most likely the result of slow, continuous degeneration of a comfortable, predictable lifestyle.

In our society, I think forced racial integration is the most critical contributor to the unpredictable, uncomfortable perception of the future condition of our well being.

Additionally, taxpayers are required to support the redistribution of our national wealth to illegal immigrants and dead-beat drug addicts with no end in sight.

In the end, desperate people are prone to do desperate things.

This is the darkness of the world system contrasted with hope in the living God where the Light of God shines most brightly giving hope for the future to those called according to His good pleasure.

1Jo 1:5 KJV - This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
 
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Scarlett O.

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Agent47 said:
May I ask what value violent video games added to any point he was making if he was not attempting to associate them with the mass shootings?
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He cited an example of gloried violence. I cited three examples. He's offering a possible area to change in our society. I don't think he was making a direct causation.
 
Agent47

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Scarlett O. said:
We DO have a culture that glorifies all kinds of violence - from sexual assault and rape glorified explicitly in an adult- only manner on Game of Thrones to the misogynistic/violent video games to song lyrics that glorify deadly violence - we ARE raising children and young people in a culture that creates an environment devoid of sensitivity to evil.

Did that makes these young people pick up a gun and kill people? Probably not specifically. But probably mixed with other factors - it didn't help at all.

I worked with teenagers for over 32 years. The culmination of access to porn, violence, hate, and more has changed who our children and young people are. No, they don't all commit these atrocities. But they are more tolerant of these things and as I have heard so many times, "I don't really see what's wrong with that show, book, game, lifestyle,.....".
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please note I am not advocating violent games. I am saying it is a well debunked lie that violent games nudge players into violence. We may debate the merits and demerits of violent games but for now let’s stick to all research there is on video games. They don’t turn players violent. Gun rights activists/advocates keep on repeating this false claim. Why would they do that?

They know mass shooting condemns them one way or the other. They shift blame to something else, to games. This is easy,the harder job is manufacturing evidence for their claims. They can’t. They also tend to embrace peabrained conspiracy theories. They claim the mass shootings are staged etc.
 
Agent47

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Scarlett O. said:
He cited an example of gloried violence. I cited three examples. He's offering a possible area to change in our society. I don't think he was making a direct causation.
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There is enough research on violent games and violent behaviors. Results tell us the former does not lead to the latter. So whether video games are ‘gloried violence’ or not, they have nothing to do with actual violence. Trump may as well have quoted coal mining in Zambia. It would have been equally irrelevant.

so it’s either Trump is ignorant of the zero correlation between violent games and actual violence, or he knows this but attempted to give an impression that there is correlation. This is lying
 
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Agent47 said:
who asked you? I was not addressing you and I thought that is obvious:Biggrin
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Well, is this a new BB rule, to speak ONLY when spoken to??:Rolleyes:Whistling:Sleep
Every post of yours points more & more to T R O L L L L L L L!!!:Whistling


(Please ignore, I just realized you weren't speaking to me!!:oops:)
 
InTheLight

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Agent47 said:
so it’s either Trump is ignorant of the zero correlation between violent games and actual violence, or he knows this but attempted to give an impression that there is correlation. This is lying
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Do you know the difference between correlation and causation?

I'm pretty sure there is correlation between mass shooters and violent video games. Causation? I doubt it.
 
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