Trump Republicans Most Likely Don't Go to Church

[naschol]

Pew is generally trustworthy and unbiased, but it is hard to reconcile that with what I experienced, myself.

I am a regular evangelical church attendee and literally everyone I have spoken to in our church voted for President Trump. I haven't found any that did it with enthusiasm, but vote for him, they did. There were two main points - one was the alternative (no one wanted such a morally bereft person as the other candidate running our country), and the fact that Donald Trump espoused points that Christians believe (limited government, right to life, etc.). He did profess to have become a Christian, recently, but it is hard to determine whether a new convert is truly saved or not. It takes a while to go from milk to meat. And, if he was saved, we certainly can not judge on past actions. However, in our minds, that was not the determining factor. The fact that he was the only candidate, once the selection process was over, to give any nod at all to our views and goals is what caused us to vote the way we did.

Another factor was that there were a lot of trusted religious leaders that campaigned for him who had personal access to him. All we had was what the untrusted news people said, and the snippets that we got of his campaign speeches.

In the end, you just have to pray and trust that God always puts the people He wants in power at any given time. There is a purpose, even for Barack Obama...

 

[just-want-peace]

---- The fact that he was the only candidate, once the selection process was over, to give any nod at all to our views and goals is what caused us to vote the way we did. ------ In the end, you just have to pray and trust that God always puts the people He wants in power at any given time. There is a purpose, even for Barack Obama...

Excellent points! Facts that many chose to overlook!

 

[John of Wood Green]

I didn't realize Mike Pence didn't go to church. Or is he not a Trump Republican?

 

[InTheLight]

I didn't realize Mike Pence didn't go to church. Or is he not a Trump Republican?

You're going to have to elevate your game to play here.

 

[Calminian]

Over the past decade, pollsters charted something remarkable: Americans—long known for their piety—were fleeing organized religion in increasing numbers. ...

If true, it could be a good thing, as "conservative" Churches in general are backsliding. "Conservative" today has a very different meaning. They're abandoning the pillars that have always made them strong--creation and love of nation to name a couple (I'd throw cessation in there also). Conservative churches are actually not conservative anymore and have very little influence on the culture around them. Children are leaving these "conservative" churches in droves. The bottom is falling out right before their eyes, and it has nothing to do with politicians. It's all about a low view of Scripture. Many are leaving Churches because the Churches are leaving them. They no longer can find a Church that teaches biblical truth.

The fact that evangelicals came out and supported a pro-life patriotic candidate might be a sign the Christians want to become theologically conservative again. Could be signaling something very good. I would surmise that, just as there was a divide in the Republican party between leadership and voter, so there is a divide in the Churches between the leadership and the people. The people want to get back to the basics and the leadership, steeped in the poisons they've learned in Seminaries and "Bible Colleges" are trying to keep them down. Just like in the Republican party it's a struggle over conservatism, so is the Church. I see it all around.

 

[naschol]

While it is true that some conservative churches are becoming "purpose-driven" or "seeking" churches, there are still a lot of old-fashioned, fundamental, new testament churches out there. The problem is that there aren't as many as there used to be, so if you don't currently belong to one and want to, it may take some searching. Still some others have become radical and, with the backsliding churches, give true Christianity a bad name. It is so sad to watch the spiritual degradation of not just the US, but the entire world...

 

[Calminian]

While it is true that some conservative churches are becoming "purpose-driven" or "seeking" churches, there are still a lot of old-fashioned, fundamental, new testament churches out there. The problem is that there aren't as many as there used to be, so if you don't currently belong to one and want to, it may take some searching. Still some others have become radical and, with the backsliding churches, give true Christianity a bad name. It is so sad to watch the spiritual degradation of not just the US, but the entire world...

Yes, I would definitely cite purpose driven "seeker" churches as contributing. And yes, it does take some searching. There is no perfect Church, but I recall it used to be much easer to find conservative Churches that believed in Creation, and weren't flirting with political liberalism. I felt I finally had to leave a Church a couple years back after getting into a debate with a teaching elder about gay marriage. Nice guy. I thought he was on the up and up, but I can't fathom a teaching elder voting for gay marriage and urging others to vote for it (Even though he said he was personally against it).

BTW, many that are still conservative are KJV only. Honestly, it's getting frustrating.

 

[carpro]

Yes, I would definitely cite purpose driven "seeker" churches as contributing. And yes, it does take some searching. There is no perfect Church, but I recall it used to be much easer to find conservative Churches that believed in Creation, and weren't flirting with political liberalism. I felt I finally had to leave a Church a couple years back after getting into a debate with a teaching elder about gay marriage. Nice guy. I thought he was on the up and up, but I can't fathom a teaching elder voting for gay marriage and urging others to vote for it (Even though he said he was personally against it).

BTW, many that are still conservative are KJV only. Honestly, it's getting frustrating.

I taught an adult couples class for many years. But we studied the Bible, not politics, and especially not political correctness. If that is what you mean by a "conservative" church, count me in. I won't attend any other kind.

I think this entire thread subject is kind of silly and grounded in political opinion. Maybe some of Trump's supporters don't go to church. So what? You can be sure , whether they go to church or not, that Hillary's supporters had to be essentially godless to even consider supporting her and a party that promotes all sorts of evil behavior.

 

[kyredneck]

I have spoken to in our church voted for President Trump. I haven't found any that did it with enthusiasm, but vote for him, they did.

Thank you! I think that is the case with the majority of those that love the Lord and yet voted for him.

I didn't vote for him in the primary but, unenthusiastically, did so in the general election out of SHEER LOGIC. I did not want Hillary picking the next SCOTUS, and, Trump was far more likely to address this staggering 20 trillion dollar debt we've acquired.

 

[Calminian]

I taught an adult couples class for many years. But we studied the Bible, not politics, and especially not political correctness. If that is what you mean by a "conservative" church, count me in. I won't attend any other kind.

I think this entire thread subject is kind of silly and grounded in political opinion. Maybe some of Trump's supporters don't go to church. So what? You can be sure , whether they go to church or not, that Hillary's supporters had to be essentially godless to even consider supporting her and a party that promotes all sorts of evil behavior.

Yeah, the OP is a bit specious, but still, political liberalism is rampant in Churches today. It might be different in different parts of the country, but it's rampant where I live out West.

And don't get me wrong, I don't want Churches to become political, but I do want them to be holy and mindful of political evils such as mass murder of the unborn, the subtle blurring of the genders and globalism (which is perhaps the most dangerous thing we face in regard to religious freedom). If the Church just focused on those 3 I'd be happy. Many are Churches embracing political globalism, conflating it somehow with evangelism. Mind boggling they don't discern the difference. And any Christian that says they are pro life and yet found a way to undermine Trump are deeply misguided. And this includes much of today's pop Church leadership.

 

[notadoctor]

QUOTE="InTheLight, post: 2298777, member: 10533"]So you think the fact that the evangelicals that helped to elect Trump probably don't go to church is not newsworthy? It does dovetail nicely with the fact that Trump is a hypocrite.

I remember way back in January 2016 I predicted that Cruz would beat Trump in Iowa, for the very reason that Iowa has conservative evangelicals. But with this new info, that whole paradigm might be out the window, meaning that any Republican has a shot at winning Iowa. That's huge.[/QUOTE]
I would

So you think the fact that the evangelicals that helped to elect Trump probably don't go to church is not newsworthy? It does dovetail nicely with the fact that Trump is a hypocrite.

I remember way back in January 2016 I predicted that Cruz would beat Trump in Iowa, for the very reason that Iowa has conservative evangelicals. But with this new info, that whole paradigm might be out the window, meaning that any Republican has a shot at winning Iowa. That's huge.

 

[notadoctor]

As one who supported and voted for Trump early in the primary season, I am perplexed at the anti-Trump attitude among evangelicals. The ignorance among them of how important fair trade policies are needed and the necessity to become a nation that produces again is disappointing.

Christians like to be lied to, yes, we like when someone appears to be squeaky clean and participates at prayer breakfasts and says the right thing but in reality they are frauds who are simply pawns of the pharmaceutical and banking lobby. We see this when they elevate deceitful politicians like Cruz, Bush (who I voted for) and Rick Perry (the worst of all of em.

So you think the fact that the evangelicals that helped to elect Trump probably don't go to church is not newsworthy? It does dovetail nicely with the fact that Trump is a hypocrite.

I remember way back in January 2016 I predicted that Cruz would beat Trump in Iowa, for the very reason that Iowa has conservative evangelicals. But with this new info, that whole paradigm might be out the window, meaning that any Republican has a shot at winning Iowa. That's huge.

 

[InTheLight]

As one who supported and voted for Trump early in the primary season, I am perplexed at the anti-Trump attitude among evangelicals. The ignorance among them of how important fair trade policies are needed and the necessity to become a nation that produces again is disappointing.

Christians like to be lied to, yes, we like when someone appears to be squeaky clean and participates at prayer breakfasts and says the right thing but in reality they are frauds who are simply pawns of the pharmaceutical and banking lobby. We see this when they elevate deceitful politicians like Cruz, Bush (who I voted for) and Rick Perry (the worst of all of em.

So better to have a guy that says to "grab women by the pu_______, just walk right up to them and kiss them". A guy that's been divorced twice and has owned casinos. A man that sneaks into the dressing rooms of his beauty pageants while the contestants are changing their clothes. A foul-mouthed man that said because he slept around so much that avoiding STD's was his own personal Viet Nam. A guy that thinks the communion plate is the offering plate and put money into it. Someone that says he gets audited so many times because he's such a strong Christian.

That's the kind of guy that Christians should vote for?

 

[Calminian]

So better to have a guy that says to "grab women by the pu_______, just walk right up to them and kiss them". A guy that's been divorced twice....

Boy, you would have hated King David. You should read up on his past sins.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Boy, you would have hated King David. You should read up on his past sins.

You are probably not aware of a huge difference between Kind David and Trump. Once King David realized he had sinned he repented and never committed that sin again. I do not believe Trump can make that claim. His continually tell of lies is proof.

 

[naschol]

As Christians, we will always sin. However, when we are saved, we battle that sin (with help from the Holy Spirit) and win over it more are more as time goes on. I believe we should automatically forgive any sin committed before salvation and quite a bit while a new person is being revealed. However, whether Trump is saved or not, he at least is trying to find ways to help Christians in their fight against persecution, pro-death and a government who wants to suppress as much of our lives and worship of God as they can. That would never have come from Hillary.

I did a lot of Bible study and praying in the time between the nominations and the election to help determine whether I would vote at all or, if so, for whom. God is firmly in control and the person that is head of our country, at this time, is the person He wants there...

 

[Calminian]

You are probably not aware of a huge difference between Kind David and Trump. Once King David realized he had sinned he repented and never committed that sin again. I do not believe Trump can make that claim. His continually tell of lies is proof.

Trump has repented publicly and privately. You on the other hand? I've not heard a thing from you.

 

[Calminian]

As Christians, we will always sin. However, when we are saved, we battle that sin (with help from the Holy Spirit) and win over it more are more as time goes on. I believe we should automatically forgive any sin committed before salvation and quite a bit while a new person is being revealed. However, whether Trump is saved or not, he at least is trying to find ways to help Christians in their fight against persecution, pro-death and a government who wants to suppress as much of our lives and worship of God as they can. That would never have come from Hillary.

I did a lot of Bible study and praying in the time between the nominations and the election to help determine whether I would vote at all or, if so, for whom. God is firmly in control and the person that is head of our country, at this time, is the person He wants there...

I actually believe Trump might be save.

 

[LTUM2]

But it's irrelevant to me anyway since they don't need to be trying to legislate morality anyway.

So it's a non starter, IMO. I want a neutral government that affords maximum freedom. THAT is what gives us the right to keep worshiping.

I'm trying to remember; how many of His disciples went on to fix the world by changing laws?

Also, if we allow the law and belief to be merged, then are you okay when decades from now the muslim lawmakers are setting your policies?

Food for thought.

--Cheers.

 

[Calminian]

And salvation is not tied to political leanings.

No, it is not, but a changed life is. In other words, when Christ enters your heart He changes you. It's impossible to have the Holy Spirit and remain aligned with sin. You may fail yourself, in various areas, but you should agree that things like abortion are evil.
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