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Trump should start cranking out the pardons

kyredneck

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04-18-18
Trump should start cranking out the pardons
By Fritz Pettyjohn

"...the proper constitutional remedy to the Deep State assault on the presidency is a blanket use of the pardon power, beginning with retired Army lieutenant general Michael Flynn. Every potential legal target of Special Counsel Robert Mueller should also be pardoned. The president doesn't have to fire anyone. He can simply take away legal jurisdiction through the exercise of his pardon power....."

"..."It extends to every offense known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission." In other words, it may be pre-emptive. It's not just after conviction, but before any criminal prosecution has even begun...."

"... its more important function is as a tool to serve the broader public interest. This was the precedent set by President Washington in 1795 when he pardoned two leaders of the Whiskey Rebellion who had been condemned to death as traitors. President Jefferson used this power to pardon all those convicted under the blatantly unconstitutional Alien and Sedition Acts. President Ford pardoned Nixon not as an act of clemency, but to save the country from a prolonged national nightmare. Most recently, President Carter pardoned 200,000 young Americans who had evaded the draft during the Vietnam War. In these cases, the exercise of the pardon power was in the higher national interest, above strictly legal considerations...."

"...What's called the Deep State is a cabal of lawyers embedded in the Justice Department and the FBI. They are an extra-constitutional self-selected legal elite who believe they are the guardians of public virtue. They think of themselves as a fourth branch of government, assigned the task of policing the other three. They model themselves after the execrable J. Edgar Hoover, who used wiretaps to compromise and blackmail politicians. This made him invulnerable, and his example is what inspires the cabal. They want the kind of power he had...."

"...Like a cunning beast of prey, Russian dictator Vladimir Putin can smell weakness, and it now emboldens him to challenge the United States in the Middle East. He thinks President Trump has been paralyzed by his political enemies, and he wants to exploit Trump's plight at our expense. This is why President Trump should use the pardon power as soon as possible. It is in the highest national interest. It sends a message to all our foreign foes. The Constitution is not a suicide pact. The Constitution offers the president the chance to disarm his domestic enemies and send a message of strength to those abroad who wish us ill. The pardons can be made pursuant to his duties as commander in chief.

With every power granted by the Constitution comes a responsibility. President Trump swore to support this Constitution. He can do so through the use of the power the Constitution gives him...."
 

church mouse guy

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Flynn never did anything wrong. He refused to brief Pence. Mueller is creepy for charging Flynn. Mueller likes to get you mixed up and then charge you with lying. If Mueller knows that you are innocent, he will withhold the evidence from everyone and let you be convicted. Mueller does not have blood in his veins but iced water.
 

HankD

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Flynn never did anything wrong. He refused to brief Pence. Mueller is creepy for charging Flynn. Mueller likes to get you mixed up and then charge you with lying. If Mueller knows that you are innocent, he will withhold the evidence from everyone and let you be convicted. Mueller does not have blood in his veins but iced water.
What goes around...
 

Baptist Believer

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Poltiically, blanket pardons are a death sentence. It reeks of rampant corruption and complete disdain for our constitutional processes. Tou will have the people out in the streets and Congress will be forced to remove the President.

Moreover, Mueller has intentionally structured many of the charges so that they are in state court, where the President cannot pardon.
 

HankD

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Poltiically, blanket pardons are a death sentence. It reeks of rampant corruption and complete disdain for our constitutional processes. Tou will have the people out in the streets and Congress will be forced to remove the President.

Obama Granted Clemency Unlike Any Other President In History
On Tuesday, with less than a week left in office, Obama granted clemency to 273 federal inmates, including Chelsea Manning, the army intelligence analyst who was convicted in 2013 of disclosing sensitive information to WikiLeaks. Manning’s commutation was one of 209 that Obama made Tuesday; with the 330 from Thursday, his total number of commutations is now 1,715, more than any other president in history, according to the White House. Obama also issued 64 pardons this week.

Obama has granted dozens of pardons and commutations about once a month since August, and in December, he gave clemency to a record 231 federal inmates on a single day — a record that he broke on Tuesday and again on Thursday.
Although pardons are typically granted to people years after their release and serve as a formal gesture of forgiveness and a restoration of rights (such as voting for convicted felons), commutations can actually free people from prison. Manning, whose original sentence would have ended in 2045, is now slated for release on May 17.

Obama Granted Clemency Unlike Any Other President In History
 

Bro. Curtis

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It didn’t reek of corruption and complete disdain for our constitution process when Obama did it.
 

Baptist Believer

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It didn’t reek of corruption and complete disdain for our constitution process when Obama did it.
I hate to have to point out the obvious, but the clemency Obama granted was not to persons indicted in an investigation of his own business affairs, campaign, and administration.
 

Bro. Curtis

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Obama commuted the sentences of domestic terrorists serving life sentences. Career drug dealers. People caught with illegal weapons.
 

HankD

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I hate to have to point out the obvious, but the clemency Obama granted was not to persons indicted in an investigation of his own business affairs, campaign, and administration.
That might have been forgivable but terrorists, traitors and drug dealers No.
Manning (a convicted traitor) was originally sentenced to serve until 2045.
 

FollowTheWay

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I hope that the American people wake up to what a dubious person Mueller is.
I think the American people (at least the rational ones) have already waked up to what a dangerously unstable and ill-prepared man Trump is. The people will win this battle not the forces of evil led by Trump.
 

HankD

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I think the American people (at least the rational ones) have already waked up to what a dangerously unstable and ill-prepared man Trump is. The people will win this battle not the forces of evil led by Trump.
The true evil - Left over by the previous admin, nurtured by the marxist deep state, supported by fellow travelers.
 

FollowTheWay

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The true evil - Left over by the previous admin, nurtured by the marxist deep state, supported by fellow travelers.
The deep State is not Marxist. They are the ultra-rich who control America. In spite of what he says, Trump's actions show that he supports them. They do include government officials. I'm, convinced that VP Cheney and Rumsfeld were members. The deep State was responsible for 9/11. The government's conspiracy story about it being carried out by bin Laden was a cover-up. Why do you suppose GW Bush said about bin Laden at one point that we're no longer interested in him? It was because he had fulfilled his purpose as a false flag operation.
 

Baptist Believer

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Another major problem with the "make it rain pardons" legal strategy is that it would force all of those pardoned to testify about everything they know related to any crimes they were pardoned for. If the President knows he is substantially guilty of anything, he would want to avoid pardoning anyone at this stage of the game:

The President's Pardons Paradox: Granting Them Could Aid the Prosecution

Most likely the President has been informed of one important fact about his pardon power, anyone he pardons is no longer under criminal jeopardy for federal crimes and, accordingly, Fifth Amendment protection for self-incrimination evaporates. Manafort, Page, Kushner, and Flynn at this point – pre-pardon – need not answer any questions from Robert Mueller, Congress or anybody. The Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution provides no person “shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.”

Once pardoned, however, there is no legal jeopardy for past federal crimes. Therefore, the Fifth Amendment can no longer be a shield and permit Trump’s pardoned associates from refusing to answer questions under penalty of perjury. This creates a paradox for President Trump. When he pardons an individual, they are free from possible prosecution but they are also uncloaked of their most robust constitutional protection.

This may well be why President Trump has not pardoned Flynn, for example. Given the reported substantial contacts between Flynn and Russian government emissaries, given Flynn’s patent falsities including on federal forms completed under penalty of perjury, Flynn’s only protection presently from being compelled to testify – including possibly against the President and others – is the Fifth Amendment self-incrimination clause. Imagine if that was no longer a shield. Grand Jury, FBI Agents, Congress all could drill Flynn under oath. Any material prevarication would be punishable as perjury. At that point Flynn’s personal interest will be to tell the truth, even if that truth incriminates the President who fired him.
 

HankD

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The deep State is not Marxist. They are the ultra-rich who control America. In spite of what he says, Trump's actions show that he supports them. They do include government officials. I'm, convinced that VP Cheney and Rumsfeld were members. The deep State was responsible for 9/11. The government's conspiracy story about it being carried out by bin Laden was a cover-up. Why do you suppose GW Bush said about bin Laden at one point that we're no longer interested in him? It was because he had fulfilled his purpose as a false flag operation.
Your opinion.
 

church mouse guy

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I think the American people (at least the rational ones) have already waked up to what a dangerously unstable and ill-prepared man Trump is. The people will win this battle not the forces of evil led by Trump.

Why do you continue to post your hatred of Trump?
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Poltiically, blanket pardons are a death sentence. It reeks of rampant corruption and complete disdain for our constitutional processes. Tou will have the people out in the streets and Congress will be forced to remove the President.

Moreover, Mueller has intentionally structured many of the charges so that they are in state court, where the President cannot pardon.
Let me get this straight....because many of these so called crimes happened in NY, they fall to Eric Shidermann to enforce not the Feds.
 

church mouse guy

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Let me get this straight....because many of these so called crimes happened in NY, they fall to Eric Shidermann to enforce not the Feds.

I am not for pardoning Flynn because he is a Democrat and it is a Democrat idea to pursue this Russian collusion nonsense. As for Mueller, he will probably be elected governor of New Jersey one of these days...
 
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