Sorry but you're not the arbiter of what makes a difference. And if there were zero% of a chance of our votes not making a difference, you wouldn't be so diligently trying to convince us to not #NeverTrump.
Frankly, I believe you merely like to pretend on this board that you are some kind of superior Christian that only votes to follow Christ while you biasedly go about your agenda to direct your aggression toward Trump. But in truth, you enjoy claiming your reasoning is based on these superior “Christian values” of yours and although pretending otherwise about the alternative outcome, like it is not a factor in your thinking, you go about preaching that others should stick their head in sand for Christ while knowing this preaching to us “lowly Christians” only leads to one result which is to favor the alternative to Trump and that is Hillary.
This agenda of yours becomes ever so obvious while you go about gleefully cheering someone who says they won’t vote for Trump and continuously scream at others that if they do vote for him it is because they are scared of Hillary …while you revert back to reasoning that they should trust in Christ like little ole superior you, …laughable.
It'll certainly make a difference if enough folks say no to him and he doesn't become President.
...As you pretend the difference you’re interested in isn’t based on the only logical result that the alternative/Hillary will become president. …you could at least play your games while demonstrating that you recognize that “others” (us less superior Christians that don’t follow Christ’s ways) have some common sense to see these facts which you pretend to ignore as insignificant.
I believe that I typed "Devil of a candidate".
And I believe I know your true intent. The truth is you do refer to him as the devil as declare others here follow him, you know it, I know it,
don’t pretend otherwise.
Originally posted by Zaac:
Man go sit down. You ain't convincing nobody to support the devil just because you're scared of Hillary.
And we believe that Trump and his actions are worth taking true action against. And you are afraid of Hillary and what you think she will do. You've already made that clear.You can say you aren't. But the fact that you think you've got to support that which is against Christ in order to give you "hope" says otherwise.
Heard this from you already: “We” – less superior Christians, support that which is against Christ (i.e., Trump/The Devil) and place our hope in the Devil if “we” don’t follow your example to throw away our vote and give advantage to Hillary. If “we” disagree with your superior Christian reasoning it is because: A) “We don’t follow Christ, and/or B) “We are afraid of Hillary”. Got it, anything new to add.
And I continue to find it odd how so many Christians seem to think that you can separate salvation status from values. If you don't trust Christ, why would I as a follower of Christ trust your "values"?
First, and I continue to find it odd and telling that you believe your values are superior to “so many Christians” and, frankly, that you would even assume through begging the question that I would validate your salvation status to be superior to Trump’s.
Second, your condescending premise that “I don’t trust Christ” if I disagree with you (who “does follow Christ”) is also mere begging the question fallacy and has nothing to do with the reasoning given about how to best promote some of those values in the world.
There you go with that realistic stuff again. I get it. You like so many others place your politics before Christ and have to set about convincing yourselves that it's the right thing to do.
Another accusation based on the premise that others follow don’t Christ if they disagree with your idea of following by sticking your head in the sand while in this world.
Luckily for me, I have a Jesus worldview and fully recognize that everything I do must be done to glorify Him. And you simply cannot do that by supporting that which is against Him.
Oh yes,
you have a superior following and fully recognize that your agenda here glorifies God, and others are merely supporting the devil.
You remind of that Scripture that speaks of Obedience being better than sacrifice.
You've got this misguided notion that hope of stopping Hillary rests in you voting for someone else who is against Christ so you're gonna do Christ a favor. He doesn't need your help. Jesus can handle Hillary if He so chooses. But you OBVIOUSLY don't believe that either which explains why you're trying to get hope "your way".
Sounds to me that “you” are trying to convince “others” to stick their heads in the sand and allow Hillary to be president while once again accusing anyone that disagrees with “you” of not placing their hope of salvation in Christ and not following “His way”. - as if that (salvation) is the issue.
Why don’t you just come out of the closet Zaac, stop beating around the bush, and confess that you are perfectly content with Hillary being the next president and anyone that disagrees your…err ...His way is misguided by the devil?
It's not an argument. And what you're doing isn't new. You like so many others want to be in control so you place your own ability to do things ahead of Christ doing those things. It's idolatry. If you don't like the term, then stop doing it. Nobody told you to express that the only hope of stopping Hillary was to vote for that which is against Christ. You came up with that insanity all by yourself or by listening to one of the conservative talk pundits.
This is your response to where I addressed the tone of your argument on this Christian board:
Originally posted by Zaac:
Nope again. You get them because you want to be God. And in doing so, your desire to control things amounts to idolatry.
And you come back, first, in pure ignorance denying it was an argument, second, in stereotypical fashion accusing “others” who disagree with your idea of sticking your head in the sand of trusting in their ability ahead of Christ. Then you call these others, in this case me, which disagree with your argument tone “idolaters” and tell me if I don’t like term then stop disagreeing with you.
Then you go back to your strawman argument of accusing “any action to stop Hillary” as placing hope in “our” (anyone who would dare vote with a purpose to defeat her by choosing the alternative) selves and declare to do so is going against Christ. Finally, after repeatedly accusing “others’ of not following Christ, like you, you accuse others who make this choice to not have a mind of their own and to be to be followers of “conservative talk pundits”.
I suggest you slow down and think about the arguments you present here for a minute.
Zaac, you may think you are a superior Christian to others here, but at this point I’m going to tell you should have been ashamed of resorting to the argument above that “I want to be as God” as well as “that others are following the devil” and would have been better off apologizing rather than repeating and adding to your rhetoric.
Personally, I am surprised you allowed to cast these types of arguments on this Christian board.
Those weren't the two options I gave. Every candidate is imperfect. You're either following Christ and supporting those things that glorify HIM, or you're supporting that which is against Him.
Apparently, you do not even understand that right after denying your false dilemma fallacy you have merely gone about repeated it while question begging that to vote for an imperfect candidate
is either of two "things" Glorying Him or being against Him - leaving
no alternative if these “things” (a candidate aren’t perfect.
And a vote for Trump is a vote against supporting the way of Christ. (- if your premises were true, question beggar. , LOL)
How any Christian in good conscience could support a man to be in authority over them who believes he doesn't have to ask for God's forgiveness is crazy. But then again, several of you supported a man who summarily rejects Jesus Christ as your choice to rule over you.
Again, you might want to start considering your attitude above of not apologizing for but rather repeating your rhetoric and ONCE AGAIN resorting to
accusing “others” here who disagree with
your reasoning of rejecting Christ and preferring to be ruled by a man.
In fact, Christians seem to be stuck in a rut of doing this. And then complain for four year periods at a time about what their non-Christ glorifying, unrepentant actions has gotten them.
Those “followers of the devil”, who “want to be as God”, who dare not to believe as “you” that they should stick their head in the sand, who “refuse to Glorify God”, and are “unrepentant” to your…err His ways! Got it!
You can have the last word. I’ve wasted more than enough time trying to reason with you.
