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Trump Trial - does the DA have a weak case?
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RighteousnessTemperance&
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Some sure make it sound weak:
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John Bolton — who served as a national security adviser in the Trump administration and has since come out against Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign — appeared on CNN and blasted the charges filed against his ex-boss, former President Trump, saying the indictment was “even weaker than I feared it would be.”
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Notorious anti-Trump GOP Sen. Mitt Romney issued a statement saying: “I believe President Trump’s character and conduct make him unfit for office. Even so, I believe the New York prosecutor has stretched to reach felony criminal charges in order to fit a political agenda. No one is above the law, not even former presidents, but everyone is entitled to equal treatment under the law. The prosecutor’s overreach sets a dangerous precedent for criminalizing political opponents and damages the public’s faith in our justice system.”
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John Bolton — who served as a national security adviser in the Trump administration and has since come out against Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign — appeared on CNN and blasted the charges filed against his ex-boss, former President Trump, saying the indictment was “even weaker than I feared it would be.”
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Notorious anti-Trump GOP Sen. Mitt Romney issued a statement saying: “I believe President Trump’s character and conduct make him unfit for office. Even so, I believe the New York prosecutor has stretched to reach felony criminal charges in order to fit a political agenda. No one is above the law, not even former presidents, but everyone is entitled to equal treatment under the law. The prosecutor’s overreach sets a dangerous precedent for criminalizing political opponents and damages the public’s faith in our justice system.”
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canadyjd
Well-Known Member
This is about keeping DT from running for POTUS. By the time the trial gets here, we will be full bore into 2024 election cycle. Look for Brag to attempt to delay until summer.
Already polls are showing large numbers think DT shouldn’t run if under indictment.
Brag will lose but he will be a hero to the left, no matter what else happens.
peace to you
Already polls are showing large numbers think DT shouldn’t run if under indictment.
Brag will lose but he will be a hero to the left, no matter what else happens.
peace to you
On the other hand the indictment may help Trump win the nomination!
We shall see come January.
The first Caucus will be in 286 days (about 9 months)
The First primary will be a week later
Who is holding the lead in NH?
We shall see come January.
The first Caucus will be in 286 days (about 9 months)
The First primary will be a week later
Who is holding the lead in NH?
Oh, the case is weak and I've heard nobody claim Bragg's case is strong at all because it isn't. There could be more coming, Soros has his people everywhere.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/04/trump_manhattan_indictment_defects.html
Bragg was really only trying to deliver on a campaign promise, he's probably smarter than most of those people there that elected him. The assigned judge looks shady and biased and will fight against a dismissal or even a change of venue. He'll be convicted in that event, and the whole thing will be thrown out on appeal, never reaching SCOTUS.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/04/trump_manhattan_indictment_defects.html
Bragg was really only trying to deliver on a campaign promise, he's probably smarter than most of those people there that elected him. The assigned judge looks shady and biased and will fight against a dismissal or even a change of venue. He'll be convicted in that event, and the whole thing will be thrown out on appeal, never reaching SCOTUS.
RighteousnessTemperance&
Well-Known Member
From the comments:
Larry Knight
13 hours ago
It is useful to keep factual information before the public. Hopefully more and more people will become aware of the illegalities of the entire indictment as those of us who are already aware share such information with others. Widespread knowledge of the illegalities can perhaps help pressure those in power to do their jobs and dismiss the entire matter and prosecute Bragg.
Keeping the issue alive and telling others, as well as working to true the vote where we live, are two positive actions that millions of us can take to try to slow and stop the seemingly inevitable development of tyrannical government. If we do nothing, we are part of the problem.
13 hours ago
It is useful to keep factual information before the public. Hopefully more and more people will become aware of the illegalities of the entire indictment as those of us who are already aware share such information with others. Widespread knowledge of the illegalities can perhaps help pressure those in power to do their jobs and dismiss the entire matter and prosecute Bragg.
Keeping the issue alive and telling others, as well as working to true the vote where we live, are two positive actions that millions of us can take to try to slow and stop the seemingly inevitable development of tyrannical government. If we do nothing, we are part of the problem.
Nothing about this indictment (or any other indictment likely coming in the next few months) prevents Trump from running for POTUS.
I think the polls do not explicitly show that many believe Trump is likely guilty of the charges brought against him and they are tired of his constant complaints that he is a victim.
Interestingly, those who are used to reviewing federal indictments tend to think Bragg has a weaker case, while those who practice law in the State of New York think he has an airtight case.
To me, it looks quite straightforward. Bragg specifically named 34 instances of allegedly fraudulent business records that were used to support another crime. In New York, the secondary crime(s) do not have to be specifically stated in the indictment, but given the successful prosecution of Allen Weisselberg (Trump's accountant) for falsifying business records related to the Trump organization -- partially for matters related to this situation -- AND Michael Cohen's conviction for this exact situation, we can assume that the secondary crime is likely related to tax fraud for state and federal taxes, and potentially state and federal campaign laws. And if it is tax fraud, that's extremely easy to establish from Trump's tax filings.
That being said, this case is the least of Trump's potential legal issues. He has essentially incriminated himself for the government documents issue, he's facing rape allegations (trial scheduled in less than two weeks) that is apparently founded on both testimony and DNA, as well as potential election interference charges in Fulton County, Georgia.
Again, none of these cases prevents Trump from running for President, even if he is incarcerated.
canadyjd
Well-Known Member
Brag stated in a press conference the second crime was related to the 2016 election for POTUS, but he didn’t say exactly what election law was broken.
The 34 charges have a two year statute of limitation. The election law statute has a five year limitation.
My old fashion way of doing math makes that 7 years.
Brag is attempting to hurt DT’s re-election effort by abusing his authority as DA.
peace to you
Bragg (note the spelling) is not required to specifically state that information in the indictment under New York law. He may have several crimes in mind and does not want to limit his options as Trump attempts to litigate the case in the media before his next appearance in court in December.
Yes.
I'm certain that's what Trump's primary defense will be. However, the crime continued through the series of payments to Cohen and perhaps other actions. Bragg's assertion seems to be that while Trump was President and living in Washington, D.C., the clock stopped on the statute of limitations when he was not a resident of New York and serving in a unique political role where the New York legal system did not have authority over him.. And then Trump has also been living in Florida since his Presidency, so that may also affect the statute of limitations. And then there is also nearly about a nine month extension of the statute of limitations for crime in New York State due to the justice system being nearly shut down during the COVID epidemic.
I will agree that this is likely the weakest indictment expected to come against Trump. The consequences for this alleged crime will also have the mildest sentence if he is found guilty.
canadyjd
Well-Known Member
Well, once again, Brag specifically stated the second crime (the felony) had something to do with federal campaign finance laws in 2016. He said DT had “defrauded” the American electorate to get elected.
I understand the tendency not to believe what the man says, but until he states otherwise, we should believe his stated legal theory.
BTW, glad to see you posting again. I always appreciate your well thought out posts, even when I disagree….. even when you are infuriatingly right… which does happen occasionally
peace to you