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atpollard

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I just enjoyed an interesting Geopolitical analysis of the Iran war that concluded Iran had already lost the war (irrespective of the ultimate military outcome or the peace talks). The government of Iran had already fallen, it just did not know it yet (and it has nothing to do with US military actions).

Iran, like Venezuela before it, it ultimately a US attack on China. Not directly, but indirectly. As the world’s manufacturing powerhouse, China is desperately dependent on vast oil imports to support its economic machine. Oil currently flows into China from 3 places: Venezuela, Iran and Russia. The US shut off the flow of Venezuelan Oil via regime change. A regime change in Iran would cut off oil from Iran. That would force Russia and China into a closer alliance as China became more dependent on Russian oil. China and Russia have long standing historic natural tensions between them that would likely lead to internal conflicts in any close alliance. That is a multi-decade goal to weaken China.

How can regime change in Iran happen? The current war will never result in regime change except as an unimaginable unrealistic outcome of a people dominated by religious fanaticism. However, Iran can be viewed as a bank robber with a hostage (the straights of Hormuz and Bab el-Mandeb). As long as Iran THREATENED to stop the flow of oil through these choke points (but never actually did), they were appeased by their oil producing neighbors. Now that the Iran government has actually stopped the flow of oil, they have (in the bank robber analogy) “shot the hostage”. Once the hostage is dead, the man holding the gun has lost most of his power.

Following the last Hormuz embargo, Saudi Arabia constructed a 7 million barrel per day pipe line across the country to allow oil to bypass both the straights of Hormuz and Bab el-Mandeb and travel directly to the Suez Canal. With Iran attacking its neighbors and blockading all oil but their own, they have forced the other Oil Producing countries to pour their limitless money into expanding the pipeline to allow all oil to bypass the Iran controlled chokepoints. It may take 5 years, but Iran has forced itself into a position of irrelevance.

In addition, Iran has now become SUCH a threat to its neighbors that the unthinkable (Abraham Accords) are now the lesser evil. This allows Saudi Arabia to build a second oil pipeline to the Mediterranean Coast in Israel and bypass even the Suez Canal (avoiding a future choke point). This planned line will then be extended underwater to Greece and then into the EU. Iran has literally FORCED an Arab-Israel-EU Oil Pipeline and Economic/defense pact into existance.

The unrest in Iran before the war (that prompted the war in the first place) was caused by a DROUGHT and Water Shortage and Economic Collapse in Iran. Whatever the result of the Peace Talks, Iran will return to all those exact same pre-war conditions and social unrest. The difference now is that the importance of Iran to Russia and China for its ability to impact Oil Prices and harm the West will quickly diminish in the years to come. It is not a matter of “IF” the regime in Iran will fall … only “WHEN”. (and it has NOTHING to do with the US or military power). Iran chose a strategy that ultimately destroyed itself in the long term by “killing the hostage”.
 

Christforums

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I also listened intently to Netanyahu directly attack Spain, calls IDF “the most moral army.” I couldn't find the video on Youtube so I uploaded it from X. Like Trump said about Spain Netanyahu must agree that Spain ungratefully lacks any gratitude and hasn't anything to contribute. Surely, when Spain like so many others speak the enemies of America and Israel cheer.

 
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atpollard

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It is irrelevant who recognizes the “State of Palestine” when the Palestinians are the ones that have rejected the Palestinian State every time it has been offered since the 1940’s. Will Spain now recognize the next Hamas attack from Gaza as an Act of War and a Palestinian State War Crime (attacking Israeli Civilians)?
 

Christforums

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Will Spain now recognize the next Hamas attack from Gaza as an Act of War and a Palestinian State War Crime (attacking Israeli Civilians)?
At that time if any attacks are against Spain there shouldn't be any U.S. soldiers or bases in Spain. And like some of Nato have responded and Trump in response to them 'what has their conflict have to do w/ us?' Such sentiments are contradictory to the purpose of Nato but what was said was said and more so what was done was done; denying the U.S. from its bases or airspace overhead.

I remember France did the same thing decades ago when the U.S. attacked Libya. The U.S. lost three F-111s after France pulled out mid-operation and said don't fly over their airspace after the sorties were completed and jets were returning home. France waved them around as France retracted and the F-111s ran out of fuel. Likewise, I remember when France wanted to sell Iran nuclear technology for "peaceful purposes". Surely, some may go so far to suggest, bless Spain like France the peacemakers! One of my favorite responses in context was made by the 10th king of Israel, Jehu, "What do you have to do with peace?" (2 Kings 9:19, 22)

Good to hear from you @atpollard!
 

Christforums

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We don't need the Iranian's (possessive) strait. We obviously don't want anybody else to "need" or rely on the Iranians, by their unjust "scales" for infidels.

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Christforums

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"Allegedly" - U.S. Navy warships just transited the Strait of Hormuz… openly… without coordinating with Iran.

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If I may suggest news outside the mainstream media and the internet's iceberg, the top 5% of that iceberg is the available information most users are exposed to; I use Linux, Tor network, and Onionized search to get past state and national censors. I'm not endorsing the dark web especially because of safety but picture an iceberg; the top 5% is all the average user ever is exposed to: filters by Google, Bing, Yahoo, etc., below that 5% is the rest of the web. The deepest darkest web content is the deepest 10% and is not recommended because it is for criminals and lawlessness. The Tor network was made for people located in areas where extreme censorship is enforced. There's a whole bunch of information between the two extremes. Use discernment, because state and national censors are in place for a "good reason" (relatively speaking). Back in the early 2000s for example I stumbled onto a terrorist website and saw live footage of beheadings. Took me quite a while to cope w/ that, being white knuckled and desiring to be younger to reenlist all over again. People should feel angry and outraged when they observe evil and unrighteousness. Don't preach compassion and empathy unless you are prejudiced on the side of "Justice" (I'm not an Universalist). Discern, use biblical discernment while navigating the World.
 
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atpollard

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The US announced at the start of the attacks on Iran that the US would not require any military assistance from other NATO countries; this would be an action handled by the US and Israel alone against an Iran that demonstrated both support for terrorism and now missiles capable of reaching Europe. All we requested from our Allies was permission to fly US aircraft from joint bases in NATO member countries. Given the broad REFUSAL of NATO members to even allow US aircraft to operate from their soil to defend Europe from missiles that can attack Europe, I think it may actually be time to advance the talk of a U.S. withdrawal from NATO beyond the mere “talk” stage into action.

We saw some of this when the POTUS reminded the world that oil passing through the Straight of Hormuz was NOT bound for North America and those countries that were dependent on that oil should probably step up and defend their oil shipments. Europe and China and Asia receive that oil … so let NATO defend oil bound for Europe without the U.S. (since we have our own aircraft to worry about and clearly NATO has adopted an “every member for themselves” policy).

It is shameful that the same NATO that wants the US to defend it from Russia, fights sanctions on Russian Oil because they are content to buy oil from Russia (thus funding their attacker while allowing the U.S. to fund their defense). Time to shake off the dead weight. Allies are countries that act like allies.
 

atpollard

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"Allegedly" - U.S. Navy warships just transited the Strait of Hormuz… openly… without coordinating with Iran.
The problem is the new age of a grenade armed drone able to attack a civilian oil tanker and an inexpensive attack damaging a multi-million dollar ship … so just the fear of a drone attack prevents the civilian ships from attempting a crossing.
 

Christforums

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The US announced at the start of the attacks on Iran that the US would not require any military assistance from other NATO countries; this would be an action handled by the US and Israel alone against an Iran that demonstrated both support for terrorism and now missiles capable of reaching Europe. All we requested from our Allies was permission to fly US aircraft from joint bases in NATO member countries. Given the broad REFUSAL of NATO members to even allow US aircraft to operate from their soil to defend Europe from missiles that can attack Europe, I think it may actually be time to advance the talk of a U.S. withdrawal from NATO beyond the mere “talk” stage into action.

We saw some of this when the POTUS reminded the world that oil passing through the Straight of Hormuz was NOT bound for North America and those countries that were dependent on that oil should probably step up and defend their oil shipments. Europe and China and Asia receive that oil … so let NATO defend oil bound for Europe without the U.S. (since we have our own aircraft to worry about and clearly NATO has adopted an “every member for themselves” policy).

It is shameful that the same NATO that wants the US to defend it from Russia, fights sanctions on Russian Oil because they are content to buy oil from Russia (thus funding their attacker while allowing the U.S. to fund their defense). Time to shake off the dead weight. Allies are countries that act like allies.
That's a pretty accurate summation or timeline of events thus far. What seemingly has occurred, and this is my observation is that some of Nato has "exposed" themselves for "aiding or abetting the enemy". They are in bed w/ those that are hostile to our Western existence. I watched an interview w/ the prior Chancellor Merkel of Germany. Germany like the UK is facing reality at this time, it looks like a Civil war is locked into its future to purge itself from lawlessness. Merkel was asked why she allowed "open borders" and the Islamist to invade her country. She replied for purely political reasons it was to destroy her political opposition. Don't look further past our country America! Let's not be hypocritical here and observe that is the intent and purpose of Lib/Dems. Some believe, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Let them go broke fighting against evil and let everybody else tire of funding the fight against evil.

At this point I'm in research and observation mode, I don't know whether the U.S. should pull out of Nato but at this point I think the U.S. should continue reshaping Nato and do support consequential withdraw from Nato. Here in America we hear "Woke" and well, that's so common that we only consider the tip of the iceberg. This invasive enemy hasn't ceased since Nazi Germany ushering in post-modernism and socialism.
 

Christforums

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Just noting, in this forums I'm sure to cause friction. @Ascetic X, not trying to shut you down, I see that you and I agree more than disagree after reviewing this thread. Looking forward to hearing from you if after clarification we don't agree, that is, rather than that "Amen" following, likes, crowd so cherished today from behind the pulpit of social pressure by respecters of peoples or offices. Mind you, I'm somebody that wore the shield of David the Jewish star for a year out in public to experience what Jews go through (rather than Christians taking shelter and in culture). I also volunteer at my local Jewish learning center (literate in ancient Hebraic and modern Hebrew) and worship at a Reformed Protestant church. Not excusing any abrasive responses on my part but you and I obviously come from different perspectives let alone histories. I can appeal as well examine myself to demonstrate grace in our conversations.

I get angry looks from neighbors and noted after raising these flags some have posted banners in their yards, I note one nearby resident that has a rainbow banner of Jesus with open arms that says Jesus loves everybody. I find it easier to say, "I don't know about that" rather than wasting energy. The other day I heard a loud noise from the front of the house, and later saw a 4" stone laying in the yard. I'll leave anybody to interpret that. I live in Idaho a Red State, I moved in the city I live in because nobody can go ten blocks w/out running into a church. Nowadays, nobody can run 5 blocks w/out running into a medical facility that ushers in the cultural psych priests and counselors that replaced the pacifist pastors of the church.

I suppose these flags are offensive to some and I should leave a box of cry baby tissues out front of my property. Cowards dig the knife in behind your back and go after your loved ones. They seldom have the balls to confront what they deem as the enemy face to face unless they outnumber. I suppress nowadays hoping G-d regenerates the enemy but instead accept the enemy at face value. If I only take what people say per verbatim then it's easy to discern the reprobate. Condemned by their words and actions!

G-d bless @Ascetic X! I'm the loudmouth everybody loves to hate. From my perspective it "feels" like crying out from the desert. Pass me a tissue, please, I'm sobbing here, wearing Camel hair after that unclean animal by the purity cultural standard of the day.

On another topic I watched a woman put on makeup the other day. She was a soildier, I reinforced my belief because of that, she isn't fit for war. I couldn't care less how I am seen.

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canadyjd

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Just noting, in this forums I'm sure to cause friction. @Ascetic X, not trying to shut you down, I see that you and I agree more than disagree after reviewing this thread. Looking forward to hearing from you if after clarification we don't agree, that is, rather than that "Amen" following, likes, crowd so cherished today from behind the pulpit of social pressure by respecters of peoples or offices. Mind you, I'm somebody that wore the shield of David the Jewish star for a year out in public to experience what Jews go through (rather than Christians taking shelter and in culture). I also volunteer at my local Jewish learning center (literate in ancient Hebraic and modern Hebrew) and worship at a Reformed Protestant church. Not excusing any abrasive responses on my part but you and I obviously come from different perspectives let alone histories. I can appeal as well examine myself to demonstrate grace in our conversations.

I get angry looks from neighbors and noted after raising these flags some have posted banners in their yards, I note one nearby resident that has a rainbow banner of Jesus with open arms that says Jesus loves everybody. I find it easier to say, "I don't know about that" rather than wasting energy. The other day I heard a loud noise from the front of the house, and later saw a 4" stone laying in the yard. I'll leave anybody to interpret that. I live in Idaho a Red State, I moved in the city I live in because nobody can go ten blocks w/out running into a church. Nowadays, nobody can run 5 blocks w/out running into a medical facility that ushers in the cultural psych priests and counselors that replaced the pacifist pastors of the church.

I suppose these flags are offensive to some and I should leave a box of cry baby tissues out front of my property. Cowards dig the knife in behind your back and go after your loved ones. They seldom have the balls to confront what they deem as the enemy face to face unless they outnumber. I suppress nowadays hoping G-d regenerates the enemy but instead accept the enemy at face value. If I only take what people say per verbatim then it's easy to discern the reprobate. Condemned by their words and actions!

G-d bless @Ascetic X! I'm the loudmouth everybody loves to hate. From my perspective it "feels" like crying out from the desert. Pass me a tissue, please, I'm sobbing here, wearing Camel hair after that unclean animal by the purity cultural standard of the day.

On another topic I watched a woman put on makeup the other day. She was a soildier, I reinforced my belief because of that, she isn't fit for war. I couldn't care less how I am seen.

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Brother, James cautioned us to control our mouths, basically saying if you can control what you say you are well on your way to being perfect.

Few can master their own tongue, but it’s worth the effort.

Look forward to seeing you debate the death penalty with me some time

Peace to you
 

atpollard

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That's a pretty accurate summation or timeline of events thus far. What seemingly has occurred, and this is my observation is that some of Nato has "exposed" themselves for "aiding or abetting the enemy". They are in bed w/ those that are hostile to our Western existence. I watched an interview w/ the prior Chancellor Merkel of Germany. Germany like the UK is facing reality at this time, it looks like a Civil war is locked into its future to purge itself from lawlessness. Merkel was asked why she allowed "open borders" and the Islamist to invade her country. She replied for purely political reasons it was to destroy her political opposition. Don't look further past our country America! Let's not be hypocritical here and observe that is the intent and purpose of Lib/Dems. Some believe, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Let them go broke fighting against evil and let everybody else tire of funding the fight against evil.

At this point I'm in research and observation mode, I don't know whether the U.S. should pull out of Nato but at this point I think the U.S. should continue reshaping Nato and do support consequential withdraw from Nato. Here in America we hear "Woke" and well, that's so common that we only consider the tip of the iceberg. This invasive enemy hasn't ceased since Nazi Germany ushering in post-modernism and socialism.
I read an analysis of the EU that described it as “tired and old” … like an old man past his prime. Statistically, they have fallen below the replacement birth rate for quite a while now. In real and practical terms, that means a native population that is shrinking and older (on average) which naturally skews more cautious than bold. They are facing natural internal threats of their own population decline and external cultural threats from their open borders. They have responded as they did in the 1930’s with a policy of “appeasement” to preserve peace at all costs.

If true, they may be incapable of actually saving themselves. In any case, it is their problem to fix (even as the US embrace of ‘globalism’ to destroy our ‘middle class’ has created the innate instability of an American Oligarchy that is OURS to fix).
 

Martin Marprelate

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I read an analysis of the EU that described it as “tired and old” … like an old man past his prime. Statistically, they have fallen below the replacement birth rate for quite a while now. In real and practical terms, that means a native population that is shrinking and older (on average) which naturally skews more cautious than bold. They are facing natural internal threats of their own population decline and external cultural threats from their open borders. They have responded as they did in the 1930’s with a policy of “appeasement” to preserve peace at all costs.

If true, they may be incapable of actually saving themselves. In any case, it is their problem to fix (even as the US embrace of ‘globalism’ to destroy our ‘middle class’ has created the innate instability of an American Oligarchy that is OURS to fix).
This is true, but it is true of many countries, including the USA https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/09/us/fertility-rates-decline.html The worst country in this respect is South Korea, but the only continent where the birthrate is increasing is Africa.
 

Ben1445

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And this is the result of a discussion between allies.
A request that comes from someone who is willing to put time and material in, rather than empty words.
This whole scenario reminds me of the Barbary pirates at the outset of US history. It is time to stop paying tribute to Islam. We are not conquered by them. There is no reason to reduce ourselves to tribute. They are not worthy of tribute.
They are politically, morally, spiritually, and even militarily bankrupt at this point.
allah is a hypocrite. It is clear for anyone to see that fornication and adulterous behavior, murder and sin, is condoned by islam so long as it is against non Muslims.
The nations of the Middle East recognize the detriment that Tehran poses under its (present? past?) regime. This has been long overdue.
 
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