Trump vs Parnas

[Agent47]

One of the most unintelligent lies,not that I expected intelligent ones, from Mr Trump is denying knowledge of Parnas

'Take her out': Recording appears to capture Trump at private dinner saying he wants Ukraine ambassador fired

Not even Fox is denying
In the tape, Fruman and Parnas tell Trump that Yovanovitch -- who was recalled from her position in May 2019 -- had been speaking negatively about him. It is then that Trump calls for her ouster.

Full video released of Trump discussing Ukraine ambassador’s ouster: Watch the tape

So what? Trump met strangers, had a private diner at his hotel and they asked him to fire his ambassador?

 

[xlsdraw]

Political operative strikes again.

 

[robycop3]

Funny, this stuff wasn't brought up earlier.

 

[Particular]

One of the most unintelligent lies,not that I expected intelligent ones, from Mr Trump is denying knowledge of Parnas

'Take her out': Recording appears to capture Trump at private dinner saying he wants Ukraine ambassador fired

Not even Fox is denying
In the tape, Fruman and Parnas tell Trump that Yovanovitch -- who was recalled from her position in May 2019 -- had been speaking negatively about him. It is then that Trump calls for her ouster.

Full video released of Trump discussing Ukraine ambassador’s ouster: Watch the tape

So what? Trump met strangers, had a private diner at his hotel and they asked him to fire his ambassador?

Question: is it illegal for the leader to fire someone?
Why would Trump deny this? Why not say, "Yep, I removed this ambassador. It is in my authority to do so and I did."
End of story.

This charade keeps getting stranger and stranger and I didn't vote for President Trump (or Hillary Clinton). What I observe as a neutral is that the Democrats have given themselves over to hatred and malice rather than goodness and justice.

 

[Agent47]

Question: is it illegal for the leader to fire someone?
Why would Trump deny this? Why not say, "Yep, I removed this ambassador. It is in my authority to do so and I did."
End of story.

This charade keeps getting stranger and stranger and I didn't vote for President Trump (or Hillary Clinton). What I observe as a neutral is that the Democrats have given themselves over to hatred and malice rather than goodness and justice.

Why don’t you make your own post and ask all your questions and then answer them?

The subject here is President Trump is shamelessly lying and he has been busted.

The other minor point is, Trump sacked a career diplomat for resisting his nefarious schemes

 

[Agent47]

Funny, this stuff wasn't brought up earlier.

If by “this stuff” you mean the audio, it is only because President Trump had not lied “earlier” hence there was no need to show him lying

 

[Agent47]

Political operative strikes again.

it’s a political section. What would you rather I did? Sharing recipes?

 

[Particular]

Why don’t you make your own post and ask all your questions and then answer them?

The subject here is President Trump is shamelessly lying and he has been busted.

The other minor point is, Trump sacked a career diplomat for resisting his nefarious schemes

The opinion of yourself is that President Trump is shamelessly lying. Yet, he does not deny stating that the former ambassador is to be fired. The President, by the way, has the legal right to fire an ambassador.
Your opinion about why he fired her is of no significance. It's like complaining that a CIO fired an assistant manager who worked at the company for years, but was bad mouthing the new CIO. Here's a tip... don't bad-mouth your boss...you won't get fired.

 

[Agent47]

The opinion of yourself is that President Trump is shamelessly lying. Yet, he does not deny stating that the former ambassador is to be fired. The President, by the way, has the legal right to fire an ambassador.
Your opinion about why he fired her is of no significance. It's like complaining that a CIO fired an assistant manager who worked at the company for years, but was bad mouthing the new CIO. Here's a tip... don't bad-mouth your boss...you won't get fired.

he lied about Parnas. Read before blabbering

 

[Particular]

he lied about Parnas. Read before blabbering

I read your op. You don't say anything about Trump lying about Parnas. If you want to talk about it, quote what he said about Parnas. Instead, your op is about the ambassador saying negative things about Trump and then Trump fires her. He has the right and the authority to fire an ambassador who is not representing executive orders.

Speak your opinion plainly, a47. You are often very vague.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Funny, but it was barely a blip on the screen, and nothing seems to have come of it at the time, nor for a very long time, in fact. Pity, for she and so many others seem to have turned a blind eye at best to American corruption in Ukraine.

What seems more telling is their discussion of the elections, which seemed to indicate Biden would be the ideal opponent, the most easy to beat of all. Sounds very much like Biden was never a concern. Trump vindicated yet again.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Of far more interest is the closing with their Teddy Roosevelt "Man in the Arena" speech award. Evidently an excerpt from a longer speech entitled "Citizenship in a Republic."

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Shame on the man of cultivated taste who permits refinement to develop into fastidiousness that unfits him for doing the rough work of a workaday world. Among the free peoples who govern themselves there is but a small field of usefulness open for the men of cloistered life who shrink from contact with their fellows. Still less room is there for those who deride or slight what is done by those who actually bear the brunt of the day; nor yet for those others who always profess that they would like to take action, if only the conditions of life were not exactly what they actually are. The man who does nothing cuts the same sordid figure in the pages of history, whether he be cynic, or fop, or voluptuary. There is little use for the being whose tepid soul knows nothing of the great and generous emotion, of the high pride, the stern belief, the lofty enthusiasm, of the men who quell the storm and ride the thunder. Well for these men if they succeed; well also, though not so well, if they fail, given only that they have nobly ventured, and have put forth all their heart and strength. It is war-worn Hotspur, spent with hard fighting, he of the many errors and the valiant end, over whose memory we love to linger, not over the memory of the young lord who “but for the vile guns would have been a valiant soldier.”​

TR Center - Man in the Arena

 

[Agent47]

I read your op. You don't say anything about Trump lying about Parnas. If you want to talk about it, quote what he said about Parnas. Instead, your op is about the ambassador saying negative things about Trump and then Trump fires her. He has the right and the authority to fire an ambassador who is not representing executive orders.

Speak your opinion plainly, a47. You are often very vague.

But that was the first sentence.

I even quoted Fox News excerpt to the effect that Parnas appealed to Trump to sack the ambassador. Trump said the most he did with Parnas was a photo-op.

I don't care for the contents of that tape other than it shows Trump lied about never knowing Parnas.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

But that was the first sentence.

I even quoted Fox News excerpt to the effect that Parnas appealed to Trump to sack the ambassador. Trump said the most he did with Parnas was a photo-op.

I don't care for the contents of that tape other than it shows Trump lied about never knowing Parnas.

Giuliani seems to have known Parnas. Parnas is said to have been at the dinner gathering with others including Trump, though I did not see Parnas or recognize his voice. I was only able to listen to the tape, there is no discernible video in the copy I have.

However, even if it was Parnas, this would not demonstrate Trump really knew him, other than as part of a group. But regardless of who made the statement about the ambassador, if corroborated, she should have been fired. For whatever reason, she doesn't seem to have been at the time. This further weakens any case that Parnas had real influence with Trump. He may have had influence with Giuliani, who seems to take credit for the ambassador's eventually being fired.