Trump Will Not be Releasing Taxes

[InTheLight]

How many presidential candidate have released ten years of filings?

Barack Obama-- 9 years
Joe Biden
Jeb Bush--34 years
Hillary Clinton
Marco Rubio
John Kasich--7 years

http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/PresidentialTaxReturns/

One of the perks of being rich is being able to keep income and expenses in corporations, and off of one own's tax return, in ways that wouldn't show up well on a K1 or SchD. Even if it did, these forms only show income, not wealth.

You are woefully ignorant of tax laws, especially the veil between personal and corporate taxes. In fact, you've given me an idea--perhaps Trump doesn't want to release his taxes because he's abusing the separation of corporate and personal taxes? Interesting.

No need to discuss this further with you, unless you get educated.

 

[Crabtownboy]

How many presidential candidate have released ten years of filings?

One of the perks of being rich is being able to keep income and expenses in corporations, and off of one own's tax return, in ways that wouldn't show up well on a K1 or SchD. Even if it did, these forms only show income, not wealth.

Many have. The list is too long for one reply .. so here is the !st. The 2nd follows.

President Barack H. Obama
2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 |2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 |2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015
The President and the First Lady have released their2013 federal income tax returns, as well as state income tax return for Illinois.

Vice President Joseph R. Biden, Jr.
1998 | 1999 | 2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003 |2004 | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 |2010 | 2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015
The Vice President and Dr. Jill Biden have also released their 2013 federal income tax returns, as well as state income tax returns for both Delaware and Virginia.

George W. Bush
2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 |2006 | 2007

Richard Cheney
2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 |2006 | 2007
Note: For tax year 2001, both President Bush and Vice President Cheney released partial returns. For tax year 2000, Bush released only his Form 1040; Cheney provided a summary of his taxes, but released no forms.

© Tax Analysts (2016)

 

[Crabtownboy]

How many presidential candidate have released ten years of filings?

One of the perks of being rich is being able to keep income and expenses in corporations, and off of one own's tax return, in ways that wouldn't show up well on a K1 or SchD. Even if it did, these forms only show income, not wealth.

No. 2:

If you want to see more go to: http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns

Presidential Candidate Jeb Bush
1981 | 1982 | 1983 | 1984 | 1985 | 1986 |1987 | 1988 | 1989 | 1990 | 1991 | 1992 |1993 | 1994 | 1995 | 1996 | 1997 | 1998 |1999 | 2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003 | 2004 |2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 |2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014

Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton
2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 |2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 |2012 | 2013 | 2014

Presidential Candidate Ted Cruz
2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014

Presidential Candidate Marco Rubio
2000-2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | 2013 |2014

 

[Salty]

Salty, you are right. However not releasing tax returns is probably not a good political move.

You are absolutely correct under current protocol.

If I was running for POTUS here is what I would say.
I will have a committee of two R's, two D's and two minor party members. (ie -1- Green, 1 -Constitution)
They would do an audit of my tax return -
BUT they would have to sign a non-discloser form - nothing would be permitted to be release
UNLESS there is false info on my tax return.
BTW, the Party members would be allowed to name the individuals to serve on the committee.
(if the Party wants to pay them an allowance - that would be up to them)

 

[church mouse guy]

Actually, I agree with the know-nothings on this one--it is time to do away with the releasing of tax information and medical information. In the words of the most qualified person to ever run for President, what difference does it make?

 

[Smyth]

Many have. The list is too long for one reply .. so here is the !st. The 2nd follows.

So, your evidence shows that almost no one released tax returns before elected, let alone 10 years prior of tax returns?

Obama was already a state senator before we see his first return, and would have been happy to show that his income is little above his [comfortable] publicly-known salary.

Bill Clinton, even though spent years as a state governor, his first return wasn't released until after he was elected president, going by the website you provided.

George W Bush didn't release one prior to winning the presidency.

George Bush 1 didn't release one one until a decade after started being vp and, two years after winning the presidency.

And, still, their tax returns shows almost nothing about their wealth.

 

[Smyth]

No need to discuss this further with you, unless you get educated.

Funny, I'm thinking you need to get educated. Crabtownboy has already posted tax return information showing it's uncommon for politicians to share tax returns before being elected.

 

[Smyth]

Maybe his children have manners--I know one of them is pro-choice and pro-gay-marriage.

Trumps advantage is that he's far, far better than Hillary, not that he's a good man. There's no righteousness in letting the greater evil prevail out of unwillingness to compromise -- and those who are unwilling to comprise can add hypocrisy to their list of sins, if they've voted for the previous evils the GOP had ran for president.

 

[InTheLight]

Funny, I'm thinking you need to get educated. Crabtownboy has already posted tax return information showing it's uncommon for politicians to share tax returns before being elected.

I posted a list of presidential candidates that have released 10 years of their tax returns BEFORE they were elected. Here it is again:

Barack Obama-- 9 years
Joe Biden
Jeb Bush--34 years
Hillary Clinton
Marco Rubio
John Kasich--7 years

When I say you need to get educated I meant regarding taxes and tax returns, business vs. personal (among other things.)

 

[church mouse guy]

I agree, Smyth, that the Clintons are liars and thieves and I also think Trump's best strategy is to stay on message and emphasized the depravity of the Clintons.

 

[InTheLight]

Trumps advantage is that he's far, far better than Hillary, not that he's a good man.

Ah yes, the "But....but.....but....Hillary" argument. Followed closely by the SCOTUS judges appointment argument. That's your argument in a nutshell. VOTE AGAINST HILLARY. That's all ya got.

There's no righteousness in letting the greater evil prevail out of unwillingness to compromise -- and those who are unwilling to comprise can add hypocrisy to their list of sins, if they've voted for the previous evils the GOP had ran for president.

OK, I got it. Don't learn from your past mistakes, just keep on compromising. And Romney and McCain were far, far better candidates than Trump. Flawed, but still better.

 

[Smyth]

OK, I got it. Don't learn from your past mistakes, just keep on compromising. And Romney and McCain were far, far better candidates than Trump. Flawed, but still better.

The refusal of RATs to vote for Trump has nothing to do with learning from past mistakes. RATs won't vote for Trump because their owners tell them that Trump is dangerous, too dangerous. It's because of the RATs that we had Romney and McCain in the past. If they could learn anything, they'd learn to stop supporting neoconservative candidates.

Trump is better than McCain.

 

[carpro]

A top aide to Donald Trump said Wednesday that the Republican presidential nominee "will not be releasing" his taxes.

"Mr. Trump has said that his taxes are under audit and he will not be releasing them," Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort told "CBS This Morning."

"It has nothing to do with Russia, it has nothing to do with any country other than the United States and his normal tax auditing process," Manafort added.
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I now await the deafening clamor of all the Obama birthers and Obama college transcript conspiarcists to demand that Trump release his tax records. What's he hiding?

There's no need. Especially with the crooked Clinton foundation selling out the country and hiding the Clinton income derived from treasonous activities and the selling of political influence.

 

[InTheLight]

The refusal of RATs to vote for Trump has nothing to do with learning from past mistakes. RATs won't vote for Trump because their owners tell them that Trump is dangerous, too dangerous. It's because of the RATs that we had Romney and McCain in the past. If they could learn anything, they'd learn to stop supporting neoconservative candidates.

Trump is better than McCain.

Old paradigm: Boehner, McConnell, Ryan, McCain, Romney are RINOS, not conservative enough.
New paradigm: Conservatism has nothing to do with it. Trump is not Hillary. Good enough.

 

[Smyth]

I posted a list of presidential candidates that have released 10 years of their tax returns BEFORE they were elected. Here it is again:

Barack Obama-- 9 years

They didn't release tax returns until after they were holding public office, sometimes not even before they were president. So, stop acting so desperate to trash Trump. Obama had been a state Senator before he released any tax returns, and he has less excuse than anyone not to release a tax return (given his career as a Community Organizer and politician).

 

[InTheLight]

They didn't release tax returns until after they were holding public office, sometimes not even before they were president. So, stop acting so desperate to trash Trump. Obama had been a state Senator before he released any tax returns, and he has less excuse than anyone not to release a tax return (given his career as a Community Organizer and politician).

Your question:

How many presidential candidate have released ten years of filings?

I answered that question.

Now that you are losing that argument you move the goalposts to "How many politicians released their tax returns before holding office?" Well, DUH. no one. Why would a private citizen release their tax returns? Your style of arguing is pathetic.

 

[Sapper Woody]

Your question:


I answered that question.

Now that you are losing that argument you move the goalposts to "How many politicians released their tax returns before holding office?" Well, DUH. no one. Why would a private citizen release their tax returns? Your style of arguing is pathetic.

ITL, as much as I dislike Smyth's aggressive posting style, he does have a point here. Why should the public expect a presidential candidate to release his tax records when it has never happened before? As near as I can tell, there's no precedent for it.

Once, he's in office, then there's a precedent. But until he is, no one should be clamoring for their release.

 

[InTheLight]

ITL, as much as I dislike Smyth's aggressive posting style, he does have a point here. Why should the public expect a presidential candidate to release his tax records when it has never happened before? As near as I can tell, there's no precedent for it.

It has happened before, plenty of times. Look at this link for the history of the past 2 election cycles:

http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/PresidentialTaxReturns/

Going further back, Dole released 29 years of tax records when he ran in 1996. When John Kerry ran he released 20 years worth in 2004. Bill Clinton released 12 years in 1992 when he was running. George W. Bush released 9 years worth in 2000.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...presidential-candidate-has-released-most-tax/

Once, he's in office, then there's a precedent. But until he is, no one should be clamoring for their release.

For the past 30 years, it's been a staple of the election cycle for the presidential candidate to release their tax records. There is plenty of precedent.




I never suggested that Trump needed to release 10 years worth of tax returns, but 10 years worth would go a long way to figuring out his net worth.

 

[Sapper Woody]

ITL, my mistake. I took your comment above my post to mean that no other presidential candidate had released records before becoming president. I'm on my tablet, and can't do my own homework in this area.

I do agree that releasing his tax records would give him credibility and an appearance of transparency, but I don't think it should be required.

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[blessedwife318]

Old paradigm: Boehner, McConnell, Ryan, McCain, Romney are RINOS, not conservative enough.
New paradigm: Conservatism has nothing to do with it. Trump is not Hillary. Good enough.

Don't forget that Conservatives are actually the enemy. RINOS were content to leave us alone, but the Trump party attacks Conservatives with everything they have.