Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Why have you signed on to the idea that it is now a good thing to criminalize political differences? There was NO COLLUSION, therefore there can be no OBSTRUCTION of Justice. This whole thing was made up out of whole cloth by those who did not like the results of the last presidential election.

But hey, don't believe me just go and read the E-Mails between FBI officials Peter Strouck and his lover Ms. Page. They were "going to get him" through their little "insurance policy". He "would never be the President" they said to each other. Don't forget the other conspirators in this little scheme also, Mr. McCabe, Mr. Comey, the Communist CIA head Mr. Brennen, and intel director James Clapper - they all had a part in this.

You should be aghast that in our country this coup was attempted against the constitutionally and legally elected President, with the administration then in power going after it's political opposition with the full force of government institutions. If this had been some Republicans doing this stuff I would still feel the same way and oppose such shenanigans. This is not how we should be dealing with each other in the political sphere.

This idea is not a new thing, and they would be proud of a coup, but cannot say so outright until it is a done deal. The Progressive, aka Socialist, stance is anti-constitutional, essentially traitorous in aim. The constitutional crisis they speak of is very real, but they are the ones seeking it, causing it. The intention is to gut the rights and freedoms granted in the constitution, then the constitution itself. Such political tactics as criminalizing political differences are needed to achieve that goal. As always, they are accusing others of the very thing they practice.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Why have you signed on to the idea that it is now a good thing to criminalize political differences? There was NO COLLUSION, therefore there can be no OBSTRUCTION of Justice. This whole thing was made up out of whole cloth by those who did not like the results of the last presidential election.

But hey, don't believe me just go and read the E-Mails between FBI officials Peter Strouck and his lover Ms. Page. They were "going to get him" through their little "insurance policy". He "would never be the President" they said to each other. Don't forget the other conspirators in this little scheme also, Mr. McCabe, Mr. Comey, the Communist CIA head Mr. Brennen, and intel director James Clapper - they all had a part in this.

You should be aghast that in our country this coup was attempted against the constitutionally and legally elected President, with the administration then in power going after it's political opposition with the full force of government institutions. If this had been some Republicans doing this stuff I would still feel the same way and oppose such shenanigans. This is not how we should be dealing with each other in the political sphere.

Remember the "Lock her UP" chants? How about inciting violence at his rallies against his political enemies? You're joking, right?

 

[Revmitchell]

How about inciting violence at his rallies against his political enemies?

Never happened......ever

 

[Reynolds]

Remember the "Lock her UP" chants? How about inciting violence at his rallies against his political enemies? You're joking, right?

Show me where he incited violence. You can't because he didn't do it.

 

[InTheLight]

Never happened......ever

In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, on the day of the Iowa caucuses, for instance, he told audience members he would pay their legal fees if they engaged in violence against protesters.

"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise," he said on Feb. 1, 2016.

At a Las Vegas rally later that month, he said security guards were too gentle with a protester. "He's walking out with big high-fives, smiling, laughing," Trump said. "I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."

A look back at Trump comments perceived by some as encouraging violence

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Why have you signed on to the idea that it is now a good thing to criminalize political differences? There was NO COLLUSION, therefore there can be no OBSTRUCTION of Justice. This whole thing was made up out of whole cloth by those who did not like the results of the last presidential election.

But hey, don't believe me just go and read the E-Mails between FBI officials Peter Strouck and his lover Ms. Page. They were "going to get him" through their little "insurance policy". He "would never be the President" they said to each other. Don't forget the other conspirators in this little scheme also, Mr. McCabe, Mr. Comey, the Communist CIA head Mr. Brennen, and intel director James Clapper - they all had a part in this.

You should be aghast that in our country this coup was attempted against the constitutionally and legally elected President, with the administration then in power going after it's political opposition with the full force of government institutions. If this had been some Republicans doing this stuff I would still feel the same way and oppose such shenanigans. This is not how we should be dealing with each other in the political sphere.

Remember the "Lock her UP" chants? How about inciting violence at his rallies against his political enemies? You're joking, right?

Seriously? That is your reply to that post? Yet another “brilliant” non sequitur notch in your belt. No real surprise. They reached ad nauseam many moons ago, so aiming for ad infinitum seems logical. I would be unsurprised to find they already far exceed your imagined Trump lies.

 

[Wingman68]

In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, on the day of the Iowa caucuses, for instance, he told audience members he would pay their legal fees if they engaged in violence against protesters.

"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise," he said on Feb. 1, 2016.

At a Las Vegas rally later that month, he said security guards were too gentle with a protester. "He's walking out with big high-fives, smiling, laughing," Trump said. "I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."

A look back at Trump comments perceived by some as encouraging violence

Oh yeah, like ‘If they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun’ Obama 2008, at a Philidelphia fundraiser.
Surely you recall the abuse that happened & is still happening to attendees of Trump rally’s. I don’t recall it happening to Obama supporters, but that’s because THEY are the ones who perpetrate violence. Would you like somes bloody pics of Trump supporters? No wonder he was mad.

 

[InTheLight]

Oh yeah, like ‘If they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun’ Obama 2008, at a Philidelphia fundraiser.
Surely you recall the abuse that happened & is still happening to attendees of Trump rally’s. I don’t recall it happening to Obama supporters, but that’s because THEY are the ones who perpetrate violence. Would you like somes bloody pics of Trump supporters? No wonder he was mad.

Sure. Yeah. I remember. But subject wasn't Obama.

I was responding to Remitchell's assertion that Trump never, ever incited violence at his rallies. Never happened.

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[Adonia]

Remember the "Lock her UP" chants? How about inciting violence at his rallies against his political enemies? You're joking, right?

Your response had little to do with what I said. But really, chants of "lock her up" pale in comparison to what was done to the Trump campaign.

1. Do you agree with the current Democrat concept of criminalizing political differences? Donald Trump won the presidency fair and square yet the Democrats have been unable to accept this. The Mueller investigation was being used in search of a crime, not responding to one to which there was evidence (which is actually a turning of our search for justice on it's head).

2. Does it not bother you that employees of government agencies were seeking to depose the legally elected POTUS? (Remember, there is evidence that this actually happened).

3. Does it not bother you that the government which was in power actively went after it's political opposition on the basis of a discredited report known as the Steele Dossier?

We should all be against these type of things happening in our country. Free and fair elections should be the way we settle our differences, not underhanded tactics by supposedly neutral government agencies or criminal accusations that are drawn out of nowhere.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Never happened......ever

Trump’s History of Encouraging Violence

 

[Revmitchell]

Trump’s History of Encouraging Violence

Nothing in that link shows any such thing

 

[Rob_BW]

False. If Trump wasn’t the president, he wouldn't be hunted by political partisans looking to end his presidency for their own aims.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

False. If Trump wasn’t the president, he wouldn't be hunted by political partisans looking to end his presidency for their own aims.

And, if the Leftist Dems were really interested in obstruction, Hillary would have been out of the running even against Bernie, who would have then been the official Dem loser.

 

[FollowTheWay]

There are THOUANDS of former Federal prosecutors out there who DID NOT sign on to this letter. This is no big deal, it means nothing.

Try that argument on the next policeman who stops you for speeding.

 

[FollowTheWay]

False. If Trump wasn’t the president, he wouldn't be hunted by political partisans looking to end his presidency for their own aims.

Right. If Trump hadn't been elected president he wouldn't have been hunted by people trying to end his presidency.

 

[Rob_BW]

Right. If Trump hadn't been elected president he wouldn't have been hunted by people trying to end his presidency.

Dear diary, today me and FollowTheWay agreed on something .

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Try that argument on the next policeman who stops you for speeding.

Care to explain how that is not yet another of your myriad non sequiturs?

 

[GoodTidings]

Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president, hundreds of former federal prosecutors assert

Yeah, we don't really know if he would have been charged or not. You have to actually have evidence and just cause to charge someone with crime. The Mueller report doesn't reach that conclusion. But even if it appeared to take that conclusion, it is important to note that the Mueller report is a one-sided, adversarial, prosecutorial report.

The lawyers that worked on the report were squarely adversarial to Trump. The team Mueller assembled was made up of Democrat lawyers some of whom were donors to Hillary's campaign. Mueller assembled a team that was custom designed to find Trump guilty of collusion and obstruction. It was not a bi-partisan effort. Their intention was to make Trump guilty at any cost, which is why no conservatives that were at all friendly to Trump were included on that team.

But let's think for a moment what would happen if Trump were not president.

If Trump were not president and just a private American citizen, his case would be tried in a court of law, not in Congress. It is, thus, important to note that the findings in the report have not been subjected to cross-examination in a court of law. The lawyers in the report have not had to defend their findings by cross examination in a court of law. Prosecutors don't have the last word. It's not how our system of jurisprudence operates. Simply finding lawyers that say what you want them to say and reaching your conclusion on that one-sided basis isn't fair, nor is it American. It is more like a Soviet-style approach where you are guilty unless you can prove your innocence.

The two-year Mueller investigation basically amounts to finding a crime and then making Trump guilty of it. If Trump were not president and were subjected to what he has been subjected to, it would amount to trampling on his constitutional rights. It would mean that an American citizen can be denied the presumption of innocence that is one of the main principles of our American system of jurisprudence.

If Trump were not president, the kind of Stalinist approach that has been enacted against him in this investigation and by the Democrats would be illegal to do to an American citizen and Trump's lawyers could file a counter-suit for defamation and illegal, malicious prosecution.

 

[GoodTidings]

In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, on the day of the Iowa caucuses, for instance, he told audience members he would pay their legal fees if they engaged in violence against protesters.

"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise," he said on Feb. 1, 2016.

At a Las Vegas rally later that month, he said security guards were too gentle with a protester. "He's walking out with big high-fives, smiling, laughing," Trump said. "I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."

A look back at Trump comments perceived by some as encouraging violence

And yet we now know through Project Veritas that Hillary paid protestors to start fights at Trump rallies. Trump never incited violence. We don't see Trump supports beating people up, rioting, causing millions in property damage. We don't see Trump supporters on college campuses threatening liberal speakers and causing damage to campus property.

All of the violence comes from radical leftist groups like Antifa. Look at the reports on the news about people attacking conservative groups on college campuses and liberal threatening the lives of conservative lecturers. How about the violence against anyone brave enough to wear a Maga hat?

What about crazy liberal people in congress like Maxine Waters who encourages people to harass anyone associated with Trump or people in his cabinet, at restaurants or other public places? How about all of the Leftists who actually did harass Sarah Sanders, Ted Cruz, Pam Bondi, Mitch McConnel and Ivanka and her kids in public places?

All of the violence is coming from the Left, but is blamed on Trump. He is not inciting his followers to be violent and the comments he made were made in jest and were never taken seriously by anyone. But the Left needs to justify its violent actions so they try to blame Trump.

 

[HankD]

Trump’s History of Encouraging Violence

Self defense, every case. It's allowed, its legal and even expected by our loved ones.

Like defending himself against this

Former Vice President Joe Biden threatens to beat up Trump — then backpedals