Trump's Middle East Plan is Stillborn

[Agent47]

At least from the parts we can now access:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Peace-to-Prosperity-0120.pdf

1. Palestine can't form an army to defend itself from Israel

2. No right of return to Palestinians to their ancestral homes in Israel

3. No meaningful parts of Jerusalem are ceded to Palestine

The document had zero input from Palestinians and looks more or less like Netanyahu's manifesto. Kushner is dumber than his father, a rare achievement.

None of US allies in the ME is mildly animated by the "deal of the century"

 

[Revmitchell]

No such thing as palestinians. Its not their ancestral homeland. It is dead in the water because muslims will never accept a Jewish state under any circumstances no matter how much land Israel is willing to give up. The refusal will be purely about hatred of Jews and nothing else.

 

[Agent47]

No such thing as palestinians. Its not their ancestral homeland. It is dead in the water because muslims will never accept a Jewish state under any circumstances no matter how much land Israel is willing to give up. The refusal will be purely about hatred of Jews and nothing else.

I wish I had the energy to bore you stiff with reality and history but I won't.

Jews lived in harmony with Arabs UNTIL they expelled Palestinians from Palestine to illegally carve out the nation of Israel, without any regard to even the proposed boundaries by the UN.

I'm glad you agree this plan that is supposed to last "80 years" won't last 80 minutes albeit for different reasons

 

[Squire Robertsson]

From this I can only assume you didn't read my The Late Amin al-Husseini (1897-1974) thread. The conflict dates from c. 1920.

Jews lived in harmony with Arabs UNTIL they expelled Palestinians from Palestine to illegally carve out the nation of Israel, without any regard to even the proposed boundaries by the UN.

 

[Agent47]

From this I can only assume you didn't read my The Late Amin al-Husseini (1897-1974) thread. The conflict dates from c. 1920.

I don't read everything on this board, and the conflict stretching a decade or so before the declaration of independence changes nothing I said. I am well aware of this sir.

I will ask you a simple question.

Give me the proportion of Palestine land held by Arabs versus Jews as of 1947.

Thanks

 

[Marooncat79]

At least from the parts we can now access:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Peace-to-Prosperity-0120.pdf

1. Palestine can't form an army to defend itself from Israel

Good. Many are terrorists and therefore w/o need of one. They are supported by Hezbollah etc which is a disservice to them becoming accepted into the Israeli mainstream.

2. No right of return to Palestinians to their ancestral homes in Israel

There has never ever ever in the entire annuls of human history ever been a Palestinian State ever! Many are displaced Syrians, Lebanonese etc who have been expelled from their own countries - some even for terrorism. Again, the Terrorist States especially Iran supports them monetarily for their terroristic threats and actions.

3. No meaningful parts of Jerusalem are ceded to Palestine

Good. Neither should there be, and I am not a Zionist, nor am I a Dispensationalist. If the Arabs are so incensed by this then they should break off a part of their own country in ordet to accomodate their so called oppression

The document had zero input from Palestinians and looks more or less like Netanyahu's manifesto. Kushner is dumber than his father, a rare achievement.

None of US allies in the ME is mildly animated by the "deal of the century"

 

[Yeshua1]

At least from the parts we can now access:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Peace-to-Prosperity-0120.pdf

1. Palestine can't form an army to defend itself from Israel

2. No right of return to Palestinians to their ancestral homes in Israel

3. No meaningful parts of Jerusalem are ceded to Palestine

The document had zero input from Palestinians and looks more or less like Netanyahu's manifesto. Kushner is dumber than his father, a rare achievement.

None of US allies in the ME is mildly animated by the "deal of the century"

God gave the land there to Israel, and Israel is not attacking the Palestinians, but they already have an army daily attacking Israel, called hamasse!

 

[xlsdraw]

I don't read everything on this board, and the conflict stretching a decade or so before the declaration of independence changes nothing I said. I am well aware of this sir.

I will ask you a simple question.

Give me the proportion of Palestine land held by Arabs versus Jews as of 1947.

Thanks

The world's betrayal is of the 1920 San Remo agreements. The British and the French started betraying the Jews the moment filthy lucre oil was found in the Middle East. They were fine with the Jews taking their rightful possession of a God ordained desolate land. But couldn't bare the thought of the Jews actually prospering. And that wickedness continues to this day.

 

[BroTom64]

I don't read everything on this board, and the conflict stretching a decade or so before the declaration of independence changes nothing I said. I am well aware of this sir.

I will ask you a simple question.

Give me the proportion of Palestine land held by Arabs versus Jews as of 1947.

Thanks

For someone who continuously tells other members of this board that they need to read more and who also criticizes other members for not reading every article and argument YOU post, your statement comes across as hypocritical.
I read Squire Robertsson's thread and supporting article as I usually read the quoted articles on the threads I comment on.
In case you were wondering, I read the bulk of the 181 pg. Peace to Prosperity document you posted. I see it as an attempt to do something to greatly reduce the tension in the region and also to aid the Palestinian people in their own economic recovery and path to statehood.
I don't come to the same conclusions as you.

 

[Agent47]

For someone who continuously tells other members of this board that they need to read more and who also criticizes other members for not reading every article and argument YOU post, your statement comes across as hypocritical.
I read Squire Robertsson's thread and supporting article as I usually read the quoted articles on the threads I comment on.
In case you were wondering, I read the bulk of the 181 pg. Peace to Prosperity document you posted. I see it as an attempt to do something to greatly reduce the tension in the region and also to aid the Palestinian people in their own economic recovery and path to statehood.
I don't come to the same conclusions as you.

when I say read I don’t mean read posts on this board, I mean obtain knowledge.

The problem with the document is it was drafted with one of the parties to the conflict while ignoring the other. That’s as dumb as you can get. If you don’t care about Palestinians’ views how do you hope to appease them? The other problem as I pointed was ignoring KEY Palestinian grievances. It’s not worth the paper. I wonder how this narcissistic president got the guts to hail it as a milestone.

Palestinians have rightly rejected the sham Netanyahu manifesto:
Palestinians angrily reject Trump Mideast peace plan

Expect all, and I mean ALL US Arab allies to reject it shortly

 

[Reformed1689]

Jews lived in harmony with Arabs UNTIL they expelled Palestinians from Palestine to illegally carve out the nation of Israel, without any regard to even the proposed boundaries by the UN.

Surely you must know the history of the land goes back a few thousand more years than that....

 

[Yeshua1]

For someone who continuously tells other members of this board that they need to read more and who also criticizes other members for not reading every article and argument YOU post, your statement comes across as hypocritical.
I read Squire Robertsson's thread and supporting article as I usually read the quoted articles on the threads I comment on.
In case you were wondering, I read the bulk of the 181 pg. Peace to Prosperity document you posted. I see it as an attempt to do something to greatly reduce the tension in the region and also to aid the Palestinian people in their own economic recovery and path to statehood.
I don't come to the same conclusions as you.

For anything meaningful to come from this, the Palestinians must renounce all violence, and disavow themselves of any terrorist ties to groups such as hamass. The truth is still however that no real peace until Jesus domes back!

 

[Yeshua1]

when I say read I don’t mean read posts on this board, I mean obtain knowledge.

The problem with the document is it was drafted with one of the parties to the conflict while ignoring the other. That’s as dumb as you can get. If you don’t care about Palestinians’ views how do you hope to appease them? The other problem as I pointed was ignoring KEY Palestinian grievances. It’s not worth the paper. I wonder how this narcissistic president got the guts to hail it as a milestone.

Palestinians have rightly rejected the sham Netanyahu manifesto:
Palestinians angrily reject Trump Mideast peace plan

Expect all, and I mean ALL US Arab allies to reject it shortly

You mean all of the arab nations, save for Egypt, who still want to drive Israel into the sea?

 

[Agent47]

PS
If I don’t respond to your comment,it’s because I don’t wish to feed trolls. That or it’s garbage not worth dignifying by a response. Just carry on the conversation with yourself

 

[Reformed1689]

PS
If I don’t respond to your comment,it’s because I don’t wish to feed trolls. That or it’s garbage not worth dignifying by a response. Just carry on the conversation with yourself

In other words you have lost your arguments.

 

[BroTom64]

Ben Shapiro about the Plan along with a History Lesson about Arab - Jew relations since @ 1917. It is his whole pod cast but his take on the plan is the first thing on the agenda after the commercials.

 

[Yeshua1]

Ben Shapiro about the Plan along with a History Lesson about Arab - Jew relations since @ 1917. It is his whole pod cast but his take on the plan is the first thing on the agenda after the commercials.

here comes those never trumpers that will use this to "prove" that he is the Antichrist, peace treaty!

 

[Reynolds]

PS
If I don’t respond to your comment,it’s because I don’t wish to feed trolls. That or it’s garbage not worth dignifying by a response. Just carry on the conversation with yourself

I dont see but one troll in this discussion

 

[Marooncat79]

PS
If I don’t respond to your comment,it’s because I don’t wish to feed trolls. That or it’s garbage not worth dignifying by a response. Just carry on the conversation with yourself

You of all people would know about garbage posts on here

I also noticed that you did not respond to my answers above

 

[Adonia]

The whole area is a cesspool and until Jesus returns there will never be peace there.