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Tucker Carlson: How many Americans have died after taking the COVID vaccine?

JonC

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We do not have ANY long term safety data.
We have guesses.
We know the mRNA exists for 2 to 3 days and tge spiked protein for up to 3 weeks. And we have
1 1/2 years of data regarding these vaccinations in use. So yes, we know the vacvines are safe and effective. You just do not like it.
 

Reynolds

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No. I said "no sweet tea@" tongue in cheek. I never said you drank sweet tea.

That said, you are right that I have an issue with people who distrust the US military. But that is because I am retired Army and have had friends die doing their jobs under a Democrat president.

To hear a US citizen question their integrity because of politics is, to me, discussing.
That is where you are saying things I didn't say. I was talking with a USMC Major last week in the Barber shop. He is 100% disgusted. He said he is pretty much as high in rank as he will go because he refused to play politics. Not trusting the military does not mean I do not trust individual soldiers. The high ranking soldiers are politicians. They don't play the politics of the administration, they are gone. I can trust soldiers without trusting the military in the same way I can trust FBI agents without trusting the bureau.
 
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Reynolds

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We know the mRNA exists for 2 to 3 days and tge spiked protein for up to 3 weeks. And we have
1 1/2 years of data regarding these vaccinations in use. So yes, we know the vacvines are safe and effective. You just do not like it.
We do know the MRNA and the spike hang around much longer in some people.
1 1/2 years is not long term in the vaccine industry. 10 years is the norm. 1 1/2 years is a joke.
 

Reynolds

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No. I said "no sweet tea@" tongue in cheek. I never said you drank sweet tea.

That said, you are right that I have an issue with people who distrust the US military. But that is because I am retired Army and have had friends die doing their jobs under a Democrat president.

To hear a US citizen question their integrity because of politics is, to me, discussing.
Let me add another point to my last post. My best friend is an Airborne Ranger who had to leave military due to combat injury. He no longer trusts the military. His brother was a Green Beret. He no longer trusts the military.
 

JonC

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We do know the MRNA and the spike hang around much longer in some people.
1 1/2 years is not long term in the vaccine industry. 10 years is the norm. 1 1/2 years is a joke.
The reason it normally takes so long for vaccines to be produced is separate stages due to funding. President Trump cut through the red tape.

No, the mRNA does not stay in the body over 3 days. You provided an article talking about this awhile back....it's like a wildfire- the mRNA burns up quickly. The fact is the mRNA is very fragile. If it remained more than 3 days it would not matter. But the fact is it doesn't.

Same with the spike proteins. Our bodies deal with proteins. They are on the surface of the cells and last approximately 3 weeks. If they remained longer it would not matter. They are not toxins. Our bodies deal with proteins and the point is for antibodies to be produced.

It is amazing how God has constructed our bodies. It is amazing how God has given us the ability and knowledge to make these vaccines.
 

JonC

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Let me add another point to my last post. My best friend is an Airborne Ranger who had to leave military due to combat injury. He no longer trusts the military. His brother was a Green Beret. He no longer trusts the military.
That is on them. It is one thing not to trust administration's and governments. To me it is another to distrust servicemen who serve under a particular president. I would not trust a man who decides to fight to protect our nation only if his party is elected.

You do not trust Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines because of the administration. It is the same with the CDC. You don't trust the scientists because of the administration.

But those serving are doing so for their nation, for people. Administration's cone and go while good men continue doing what they do.
 

JonC

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Let me add another point to my last post. My best friend is an Airborne Ranger who had to leave military due to combat injury. He no longer trusts the military. His brother was a Green Beret. He no longer trusts the military.
We could be talking past each other. Maybe there is a difference in what we consider the military.

I am not talking about the people who tell the military what to do. I am talking about the ones on the ground that comprise the military.

Same with the CDC. I'm not talking about the administration but the experts actually doing the studies.

To clarify, are you saying the young men who serve our country are untrustworthy because Biden is President?
 

Reynolds

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The reason it normally takes so long for vaccines to be produced is separate stages due to funding. President Trump cut through the red tape.

No, the mRNA does not stay in the body over 3 days. You provided an article talking about this awhile back....it's like a wildfire- the mRNA burns up quickly. The fact is the mRNA is very fragile. If it remained more than 3 days it would not matter. But the fact is it doesn't.

Same with the spike proteins. Our bodies deal with proteins. They are on the surface of the cells and last approximately 3 weeks. If they remained longer it would not matter. They are not toxins. Our bodies deal with proteins and the point is for antibodies to be produced.

It is amazing how God has constructed our bodies. It is amazing how God has given us the ability and knowledge to make these vaccines.
That is how the MRNA is supposed to work. It has been proven in some people it lives much longer. They do not yet know why.
 

Reynolds

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We could be talking past each other. Maybe there is a difference in what we consider the military.

I am not talking about the people who tell the military what to do. I am talking about the ones on the ground that comprise the military.

Same with the CDC. I'm not talking about the administration but the experts actually doing the studies.

To clarify, are you saying the young men who serve our country are untrustworthy because Biden is President?
I am saying that most servicemen just like most L.E. are trustworthy. Of course there are bad apples. I am saying that the military as a whole is not trustworthy because it's top men are political puppets of a corrupt man. I am not judging individuals as untrustworthy nor am I disrespecting them.I am saying that the leadership is corrupt. With corrupt leadership the entire entity can not be trusted to perform it's sworn duty. Corporals and Captains don't make those type decisions.
Did you listen to the generals testifying on Afghanistan? If you didn't, listen to it and get back to me.
 

JonC

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I am saying that most servicemen just like most L.E. are trustworthy. Of course there are bad apples. I am saying that the military as a whole is not trustworthy because it's top men are political puppets of a corrupt man. I am not judging individuals as untrustworthy nor am I disrespecting them.I am saying that the leadership is corrupt. With corrupt leadership the entire entity can not be trusted to perform it's sworn duty. Corporals and Captains don't make those type decisions.
Did you listen to the generals testifying on Afghanistan? If you didn't, listen to it and get back to me.
General is a political rank. I'm talking about ignoring the talking heads and listening to what those in the field say. Don't listen to Fauci, read the CDC studies and look at the data.
 

JonC

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Even if you survived it, why risk getting it? It took me around two months to get over it and other than being 60-70 pounds overweight(I’ve lost ~ 30 lbs in the last few months, but I’m starting to munch too much again :Cautious), I was perfectly healthy. I still have some shortness of breath, and I can’t help but think my lungs have been scarred by it. I am thing of getting a CT done to find out. I got it before the vaccines were made available, FYI.

So just because you stand a >99% of surviving COVID, it can drag you down and keep you down for a long time. I never felt such weakness in my life.
One of my wife's coworkers (in his 20's) had a rough time as well. He was released from the hospital last week and is on portable oxygen. He was a healthy young man.

A friend from church got covid and, while not a pleasant recovery, was not hospitalized. He recovered fine and has since been vaccinated. He is in his 90's.

A relative (early 20's) had a mild case of covid but has since struggled with unidentified heart issues (he was healthy) and a friend's daughter got a mild case and had a stroke (in her 20's).

We just can't know how it will affect us (or the long term damage that can occur). I'd opt for a CT as well. At least you would know and perhaps address the issue. Praying for you.
 
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