TULIP POLL

[MartyF]

Which part of T U L I P is that stated?

LOL

All the parts if you read the background to TULIP.

That being said, I know that most here only believe in the poster-board version of TULIP and not the Calvinism from which it comes. In many ways, I now understand why a previous moderator insisted on not being called a Calvinist and instead a Particular Baptist.

If you still want to base the name of what you believe on John Calvin, then at least add something to indicated that you're only a believer in the Soteriology of the stated five points of TULIP.

 

[Iconoclast]

Don’t they believe in “never lost”?

yes, but they believe the Spirit of God is always at work in a believer enabling the good works that are ordained for us to walk in.
True believers continue on in the way of Holiness
Isa35:8-10

 

[Iconoclast]

I thought it was for “ the perseverance of the saints” meaning working.

Biblical salvation works
Faith without works is dead...
phil2:12-13...work out your salvation...not work for it.

 

[Sai]

yes, but they believe the Spirit of God is always at work in a believer enabling the good works that are ordained for us to walk in.
True believers continue on in the way of Holiness
Isa35:8-10

The Holy Spirit’s ministry of separation?

 

[Sai]

Biblical salvation works
Faith without works is dead...
phil2:12-13...work out your salvation...not work for it.

Understood. James uses works in a practical sense against Paul’s use in a theological sense.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

LOL

All the parts if you read the background to TULIP.

That being said, I know that most here only believe in the poster-board version of TULIP and not the Calvinism from which it comes. In many ways, I now understand why a previous moderator insisted on not being called a Calvinist and instead a Particular Baptist.

If you still want to base the name of what you believe on John Calvin, then at least add something to indicated that you're only a believer in the Soteriology of the stated five points of TULIP.

How about "Tip-toe Calvinist"?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

‘Five pointer’ here...

Me too

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Were it not that God had chosen some, heaven would have none.

 

[Yeshua1]

Read Calvins writings for clarification then.

there are the Presbyterians and the baptist camps within reformed theology!

 

[Yeshua1]

Presbyterianism is Calvinism (Calvinism proper). Believers Baptism was to Calvinists a heresy (it was a departure from Calvinism even before Arminianism was considered a departure).

My point, if course, is TULIP represents the Calvinistic responce to the ideas of the Remonstrance. Calvinism. Was initially more substantial than just the Canons of Dort (much less just the summary of TULIP).

Think you ,meant Dort, hopefully!

 

[Yeshua1]

Understood. James uses works in a practical sense against Paul’s use in a theological sense.

James refers to how humans can see justification, while paul how God does!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

This is cryptic. Tell us what, beside the atonement of Christ Jesus for sins, will pay the debt of our sin before God.

Cryptic to say the least

 

[JonC]

James refers to how humans can see justification, while paul how God does!

If we would stick with what the Bible says I think that there would be a greater agreement on these boards. Two people could see what was being discussed and talk about how the words are interpreted differently. There will always be differences of interpretation so there would still be a lot to discuss (e.g, expiation vs propitiation vs atonement).

But with the topic of the OP we are speaking of philosophical differences. We cannot go to Scripture because what is being discussed finds support in Scripture but is not itself in the Bible. It would be like discussing wither Ford or Chevy were the better vehicle based on pulling stewardship verses out of Scripture to support one's position.

 

[JonC]

The cross is not, the only saving instrumentality

Not only that, but the cross is not a saving instrument at all.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Absolutely not, at least not in the church age. It's just that perseverance of the saints and preservation of the saints are not exactly the same thing. The latter is Biblical in the church age, the former exists nowhere in scripture.

I believe in eternal security of the believer, but only in this church age, and I am not a Calvinist.

R.C. Sproul, a strong advocate of Reformed doctrine, calls the "Perseverance of the Saints," the "Preservation of the Saints." They are "Preserved," not because of self-effort, but because God foreordained their "Preservation."

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

there are the Presbyterians and the baptist camps within reformed theology!

And isn’t that a crying shame to Baptist’s? Unless they say they were “reformed” from the Protestant Presbyterians.

 

[Salty]

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[Alan Gross]

I believe those who believe all five can do something in their posts that others seem to not have any record of and that is, "Glorify God", "Worship God", "Praise Jesus", etc.

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14

This section in the Forum makes a subtle type of assumption that a view of The Bible of two positions on Salvation might be possible(?) and Salty has this Poll, but where is the record of those who "Glorify God", "Worship God", "Praise Jesus", etc., in their previous posts?

I am wondering if there is a relationship between them who do not "Glorify God", "Worship God", "Praise Jesus", etc. in the RECORD of their POSTS, to those who deny these Five Doctrinal positions.

Thank you, Earth, Wind, and Fire.

I began some posts on several brothers, from the first few Centuries, that held to The Doctrines within the acronym, 'T.U.L.I.P.

How there is even a discussion of 'Calvin', with regard to opposing these Bible Doctrines, ALSO HEALD BY EVERY MAN & WOMAN of GOD, from Adam to John, is "BEYOND ME".

 

[timtofly]

And isn’t that a crying shame to Baptist’s? Unless they say they were “reformed” from the Protestant Presbyterians.

So Trump is a Baptist?

 

[timtofly]

Thank you, Earth, Wind, and Fire.

I began some posts on several brothers, from the first few Centuries, that held to The Doctrines within the acronym, 'T.U.L.I.P.

How there is even a discussion of 'Calvin', with regard to opposing these Bible Doctrines, ALSO HEALD BY EVERY MAN & WOMAN of GOD, from Adam to John, is "BEYOND ME".

Is that why Cain turned out that way, because Adam taught him TULIP?

Cain is of his father, TULIP.