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TULIP Was Never Alive to Begin With

37818

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Correction, suffered once, for sins. 1 Peter 3:18 . All that suffering prior to the Cross, was not for sins.
How about prior to Him being forsaken bearing our sins? Mark 15:34, ". . . And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? . . ."
 
Heb 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence. 8Although He was a Son, He LEARNED OBEDIENCE FROM WHAT HE SUFFERED. 9And having been made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation to all who OBEY HIM.



Heb 12:1-3 Let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the author & finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame & has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Therefore, if you would escape becoming weary & faint-hearted, compare your own sufferings with those of Him who endured such hostility directed against Him by sinners.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him & to cause Him to suffer...

Isaiah 53:3 He was despised & rejected by men, a man of sorrows, acquainted with grief. Like one from whom men hide their faces, He was despised & we esteemed Him not.

Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed & afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth.

1 Peter 2:23 When they heaped abuse on Him, He did not retaliate; when He suffered, He made no threats, but entrusted Himself to Him who judges justly.

Heb 12:7-11 For what son is not disciplined by his father? 8If you do not experience discipline like everyone else, then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. 9Furthermore, we have all had earthly fathers who disciplined us, and we respected them. Should we not much more submit to the Father of our spirits and live?10Our fathers disciplined us for a short time as they thought best, but God disciplines us for our good, so that we may share in His holiness. 11No discipline seems enjoyable at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it yields a harvest of righteousness and peacec to those who have been trained by it.

Proverbs 24:10 If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small.

Mark 14:32-38 Then they came to a place called Gethsemane & Jesus told His disciples, “Sit here while I pray.”He took with Him Peter, James & John & began to be DEEPLY TROUBLED & DISTRESSED. Then He said to them, “My soul is consumed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here & keep watch.”Going a little farther, He fell to the ground & prayed that, if it were possible, the hour would pass from Him. “Abba, Father,” He said, “all things are possible for You. Take this cup from Me. Yet not what I will, but what You will.”Then Jesus returned & found them sleeping. “Simon, are you asleep?” He asked. “Were you not able to keep watch for one hour? WATCH & PRAY SO THAT you will NOT ENTER INTO TEMPTATION. For the spirit is willing, but the body is weak.”

Isaiah 52:14 Just as many were appalled at Him—His appearance was disfigured beyond that of any man & His form was marred beyond human likeness.
 

JesusFan

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That is the problem when we learn on our own understanding.

God knew Hitler would kill millions of Jews, therefore God killed those Jews. God knew the Jews would stone Stephen, therefore God stoned Stephen. God knew man would sin, therefore God sinned.

Scripture paints a different story. The Bible states that wicked men nailed Jesus to a cross. This was in accordance with God's plan, but Scripture still presents the killing of Christ as a sin.
The trinity themselves had agreed upon that Cross from eternity past, so it was based upon the determined and predestined will of the father, agree to by the Son!
 

JonC

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God the father directly nailed Jesus upon his Cross, and the Lord Jesus was in full agreement!
Uh...no. The Bible tells us that it was wicked men who directly nailed Jesus upon the cross and that they were guilty of that crime. But the Jews who ignorantly thought Christ was stricken by God could be forgiven because their sin was in ignorance and this was God's predetermined plan.
 

JesusFan

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Uh...no. The Bible tells us that it was wicked men who directly nailed Jesus upon the cross and that they were guilty of that crime. But the Jews who ignorantly thought Christ was stricken by God could be forgiven because their sin was in ignorance and this was God's predetermined plan.
God the father and the Logos and Holy Spirit had planned the Cross from all eternity, as it was the father who had Jesus nailed upon that Cross!
 
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