Turkey and Armenia resolutio

[Bro. Curtis]

There is no rebuttal. You don't like what he says, so slam him for being a drug addict. Kinda like, if instead of taking Ted Kennedy to task for his immigration policy of the eighties, and his lack of support for our troops, after insisting they go fight in Iraq, I just called him a secretary killing drunk. True, perhaps. A cheap shot ? Yup. Any substace, nope ?

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

It is impossible to rebutt that which is empty, shallow, and cheap.

Drug laws are empty and shallow and cheap?

Why is it Republicans can confess (Limbaugh, Craig, etc) and they're still innocent in your eyes?

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

You don't like what he says[SNIP]

I wasn't commenting on anything he said. I haven't been a fan since the drug thing. I couldn't tell you what he is currently saying. For the record, I'm still clueless as to how he was introduced in this thread. Perhaps you could elaborate about what you and others were hearing on the radio?

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Drug laws are empty and shallow and cheap?

Drug laws?

Why is it Republicans can confess (Limbaugh, Craig, etc) and they're still innocent in your eyes?

This is misinformation. I never said anyone is innocent. But as usual you read into what was said based on who in the world knows what. Do you?

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

But as usual you read into what was said based on who in the world knows what.

As always, I have once again misinterpreted you. I thought you were defending Limbaugh when you weren't. Clearly, you were just interested in calling my reference to his hypocrisy, "empty, shallow, and cheap." For future reference, please inform me when you are officially defending someone so I won't confuse the real thing with my misconstrued inferences. Please forgive my abhorent reading comprehension skills.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

As always, I have once again misinterpreted you. I thought you were defending Limbaugh when you weren't. Clearly, you were just interested in calling my reference to his hypocrisy, "empty, shallow, and cheap." For future reference, please inform me when you are officially defending someone so I won't confuse the real thing with my misconstrued inferences.

Since I would never had expected that anyone would do such a thing I will make special considerations when I respond to your posts. Which is considerably more than I need to do with most others.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Back O/T....Tucker Carlson said much the same thing, on his show, last week, and from what I know, he's neither divorced, nor addicted.

 

[Dagwood]

I guess you must have been, as well.

Most every day.

 

[carpro]

Back O/T....Tucker Carlson said much the same thing, on his show, last week, and from what I know, he's neither divorced, nor addicted.

The truth is the truth.

Liberals object to it the most when it comes from Rush, as it so often does.

 

[Dagwood]

The truth is the truth.

Liberals object to it the most when it comes from Rush, as it so often does.

I never said that Rush has spoken the truth. Sometimes he does, but not very often.

 

[menageriekeeper]

Forget Rush. I have better things to do with my time than either listen to him or allow him to determine my opinions.

Matt, you seem to be implying in your last post that the government of Turkey is currently systematically seeking out Armenian Christians for persecution and/or death (genocide). Is there any evidence for this?

I see the Dems are backing down on this one.

 

[Matt Black]

A rather biased source (do also read the comments below) is here, another, more-balanced from Der Spiegel is here, a Catholic take on the situation can be found here and here (ignore the at times rather offensive Google ads on the right!), more can be found here (put your reading glasses on!), there's an article about the murder of Armenian journalist Hrant Dink here, an evangelical report on freedom of religion (or lack thereof) in Turkey can be found here, etc, etc

As to the Operation Mobilisation police station incident, I heard that when I was doing the 'Love Europe' outreach with OM about 18 years ago.

These incidents are obviously not on all fours with the genocides of 1895-6 and 1915-16 but nevertheless do indicate - I hope - the continuing problems for Christians of all stripes and 'non-Turks' generally today

 

[Ps104_33]

Matt. I think you should stay out of this. This whole Middle Eastern mess that we here in the United States have been trying to clean up for the past 100 years is all your fault.:tonofbricks:

 

[carpro]

I never said that Rush has spoken the truth.

Of course you didn't. :laugh:

My point exactly.

 

[Matt Black]

If by 'you' you mean Brits (rather than me personally!) then you're quite right about the first part (this is after all the 4th time British troops have had to invade Iraq in less than a century and it hasn't done a lot of good each time). I don't think we've ever meddled in Armenia though. But you're not quite right about the US involvement:

(a)It's only been for the last 50 or so years
(b)You chose to get involved; you didn't have to
(c) You only got involved because of a combination of oil and the Jewish/pre-millenialist lobby
(d) You've made a worse mess than we did!

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

(c) You only got involved because of a combination of oil and the Jewish/pre-millenialist lobby

:laugh: :BangHead:

 

[Ps104_33]

This subject might make an interesting topic. What do you think Matt? Which country screwed the Middle East up worse, The US or Great Britain?
Or Islam?

 

[Matt Black]

The best part of the last millenium has not been good for the Middle East thanks to Islam: from being the preserver of civilisation as against the barbarian West in the Dark Ages, Islamic culture resiled into reactionary decline from the Middle Ages onwards so, in terms of sheer numbers of years, Islam must take the greatest blame for the mess-up that is the Middle East. But the last century or so the blame must largely lie with the UK and US; their chief contribution to the problem has been to facilitate the export of the region's problems worldwide together with its oil.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Well I am glad that the average American doesn't buy into that misinformation.

 

[KenH]

But the last century or so the blame must largely lie with the UK and US; their chief contribution to the problem has been to facilitate the export of the region's problems worldwide together with its oil.

Yep. The best example is that Iran is what it is today because of Western intervention in overthrowing the Iranian government in 1953 and installing the Shah. It's called blowback and to ignore it when acting on the international stage is to do so at a nation's own peril.