Turning Mary into an adultress

"This is really off topic, but since you pointed that out, I will respond. It says that She SITS on seven Mountains. The Mountains are ROME. She is 'sit'uated IN Rome.

The ROMAN Catholic Church is IN the Vatican City IN Rome (which IS a city also)."

Well then Rome would be an 8 hilled city since Vatican City, which sits accross the Tiber from Rome is on it's own hill which is not a part of the seven hills of Rome. I do think that the Book of R. is quite accurate in it's counting of the hills, don't you? So, no, you are wrong.

 

"I am really suprised that you would take this line of argument!

I have NEVER heard anyone try to say that the Vatican is NOT in Rome.

That is kind of rediculous don't you think?"

"Technically, Vatican City is a city-state unto itself, not part of Rome nor of Italy. "

http://www.tompgalvin.com/va/0_va.htm

"Because the Holy See (Vatican) is a separate State and not part of Italy"

http://www.usembassy.it/cons/acs/marriage.htm

"We had to rush because we were scheduled to visit the Vatican City, (home of the Pope and not considered part of Rome), and the Sistine Chapel."

http://www.mouthshut.com/readreview/21099-1.html

Not really.

 

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Gee you sure do overlook that whole business about the Ark of the Covenant having statues....hmmm and what about that temple where God commanded they put statues in it?

Idols worship...yep we are in agreement...we are not to worship idols.

Hmmmm you still ignore the fact that the Bible was organized and assembled by the Catholic Church. If you feel the Catholic Church is the Whore then I fail to see how you can have any confidence in the Bible. Stop avoiding the question.

Well that beast thing is a problem...for you anyway. As someone else has already pointed out you are working with faulty thought process. Yes you read, however the Church down the road reads it differently....and you are no different than they are...just determining for yourself what it means.

Yes there have been many atrocities done in the name of Christ, by many individuals and various Churches. I really don't see why you have a problem with name calling....you seem to do it pretty well so why object if someone else does?

As far as the Sabbath goes...again that's your interpertation...the Catholic Church has Mass each day of the week every day of the year.

By the way your comment to someone else about the Church being called the Roman Catholic Church....well that's not the correct title of the Church. The Church is the CATHOLIC CHURCH. There are differnt rites in the Church. The Latin rite is also referred to as the Roman rite. Then you have other various rites (Eastern etc).

You can continue to try and twist scripture and make sqare pegs fit into round holes....like I said you have free will.

However keep in mind that one day we will all give an accounting of what we have done or what we have failed to do.


LaRae

[ March 05, 2003, 11:17 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]

 

Where have I overlooked that?

That's nice. What are you talking about?

God's Word is Eternal. The Catholic Church didn't preserve it, God did. Did the Catholic Church DO something to the Bible that I should be worried about?

Actually there is a WHOLE lot more than just ME thinking this. This idea is not new. It was discovered just AFTER the dark ages, go figure.

The RCC especially

That's funny. Are we gonna play I'm rubber and you're glue now?

No it is history. The CC changed the day.

And they keep Sunday holy. It is sacred. Read your Chatichism.

Tell that to the Pope.

So then your denomination of Catholic is different from the Roman denomination of Catholic? Or do you prefer sect? Rite is a nice way of covering up the division in the CC. It isn't doing a very good job though, because we all see that there is divisions among you.

Whatever.

The Bible says what it says. You don't like it. I don't blame you. The only answer though is to get out of the church that is the whore. You can't change the Bible, just because you find it offensive.

I keep that in mind with every breath I breathe. You should try that the next time you bow a knee to pray to someone other than God. </font>[/QUOTE]I find it interesting that you condem the Catholic Church yet are willing to accept a Bible that the Catholic Church assembled and organized, added in paragraphs, commas, periods etc. We all know how that can change the meaning of something. Like I said...don't see how you can accept the Bible as true or accurate when the Whore has had a hand in it.

Hmmm I think you might want to go read a more complete version of history. You seem to be misinformed about at least some historical details surrounding the inquisistion and reformation.

No I stopped the sticks and stones thing in grade school....I'm merely pointing out that you were offended as what others said to you but don't have a problem offeding others in an equal manner.

Actually it's a Catechism and I am quite familiar with the position on the Sabbath Day.

There is only one Catholic Church. There are different rites. They all uphold the same core doctrine. So your division theory won't work here. It's quite easy to read up on this at EWTN, explains things quite well. I personally am a Latin (ie Roman) rite Catholic.

The Pope is the Bishop of Rome. He is also a Latin (ie Roman) rite Catholic.

I don't find the Bible to be offensive at all. I don't find the Catholic Church to be offensive. Afterall it IS Christ's Church.

The Church down the road will agree with your opinion of "it says what it says". I'm willing to bet they will use your own arguments against you....not sure what you do then.

I do find you to be offensive in how you are conducting yourself and the lack of charity you show, however as I've already said...you seem to feel justified in being offensive.

LaRae

 

Notice WHERE that is.
What is on each side.
ROME.
ITALY.

Hey! I've been there! St. Peter's Basilica is really absolutely gorgeous, and the Christian artwork in the Vatican Museums is out of this world (it's almost as good as the Gelati).

http://www.boerne.com/temp/stpeter.jpg

Here's a list of popes all the way back to St. Peter.. this is a picture I took in St. Peter's. You can also visit St. Peter's tomb while you're there, and you can visit the room in the catacombs (I think it was the San Callisto catacombs - only about 6 are open to the public) where the first 35-40 bishops of Rome were buried by the early Christians.

When the tour guide speaks about how the early Christians celebrated Mass "over here" and "right over there", you should see the faces of the American Protestants who don't have a clue as to the history of the Christian Church.

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[ March 05, 2003, 12:50 AM: Message edited by: Clint Kritzer ]

 

Are you saying that the Son and the Holy spirit are the same?

Thess may have well be correct in his earlier post when he said that Seventh Day Adventists do not hold a traditional Christian understanding of the Trinity.

[ March 04, 2003, 09:12 AM: Message edited by: trying2understand ]

 

"SPEAKING THE TRUTH IN LOVE.

I love you enough not to mince words."

No, it is just the same old loaf of fruitcake ideas being passed around that have been around since (and only since) the reformation with no historical basis and only a convaluted eisegis of the Bible to make it true in the minds of those who have been decieved by satan. This doctrine of WOB = Catholic Church wreaks of pride so bad it is not even funny. And those who partake of it wallow in it. It would be exactly like satan to turn God's holy word around on his Church. As I have said before, the SDA Gospel is bash the Catholic Church until they come around.

[ March 04, 2003, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: thessalonian ]

 

"So it is satan that wants the people of God to obey God? That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Do you honestly believe that through Bible study and prayer, and seeking God, that I have been led by SATAN to truth?"

Nope, I don't, think you have been led to the Truth that is.

 

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