TV Judge shows

[Salty]

Was watching 2 TV judge shows today

# 1 A) Woman sues chef for getting sick after eating.
Defense - women brought her own lobster to restaurant B) counter suit - chef sues woman for proven loss of business
Judge rules that A)woman cannot prove it was food obtained by chef that made her sick. B) Judge rules against chef for counter suit because there was no proof it wasn't his food.

My thinking, if he won part one of case, he should prevail in counter suit.

Case # 2 Man drys his sneakers in friends dryer - sneakers destroys dryer - cost $2,000 (she was not at home)
Man counter sues for $100 for cost of his sneakers

Judge rules for woman but only for $600, as her home insurance will cover rest of cost. (she states if she submits claim - her insurance will go up - judge says insurance company can recoup from man)
Man looses counter suit

I say since man was in the wrong, he should pay for entire amount of washer


Do you watch Judge shows? if so how often, regular, sometimes, sporadic, never?

I like to watch, not so much for the result, but the reasoning behind the ruling.

Thoughts?

 

[glfredrick]

Sometimes (rarely) I watch one of those, as there is seldom anything else on during that time slot.

I rarely care for the judgments handed down. I LOVE the smack talk the judges give the idiots who bring cases their way. Stuff their parents should have told them before they were 5 years old! :laugh:

 

[Thousand Hills]

Unfortunately, we watch a few of them from time to time when nothing else is on. Not having cable/satelitte, the choices are limited for over the air programming (But hey's its free!!). Court shows seem to be a popular choice of programing for our local tv affiliates. When I was a kid in the 80's/90's I remember watching The People's Court occassionally and it was pretty interesting. Now it seems like there are a ton of these shows... The People's Court (the original guy died but I think they have his picture up on the wall), Judge Judy, Judge Joe Brown, Divorce Court, Judge Karen's Court?, and about 2 or 3 others I've seen but can't remember their names.

I may be wrong, but I think the way these things work is that each party gets a certain amount to appear on TV. Whoever, wins the case that amount is deducted from the appearance payment of the other party. I may be wrong about this, but I wonder sometimes how many of these are legit disputes or if some of the stuff is just made up for the folks to get on TV and get a little quick cash. Either way, most of the people don't seem too terribly bright.

My favorite part is watching the people in the courtroom audience behind the litigants, as they try to keep a straight face.:tongue3:

 

[Alcott]

Maybe none of them ever read "Judge not lest you be judged."

 

[glfredrick]

Maybe none of them ever read "Judge not lest you be judged."

I keep seeing this verse applied in the context that we should never judge. Not sure why.

Jhn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Lev 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: [but] in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
We can judge, but we need to realize that the standards we use will be used when it is our turn.

Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Anyway, back to the "judge" shows. The judge often goes by gut feelings without much in the way of evidence and little time spent on the case (have to get 2-3 cases in during a 30 minute show after all). Seeing as how nothing happens on television without someone making a decision, I'd say that all parties are coached before we ever see them on the tube.

 

[Salty]

Anyway, back to the "judge" shows. The judge often goes by gut feelings without much in the way of evidence and little time spent on the case (have to get 2-3 cases in during a 30 minute show after all). ....

I believe you are incorrect on the time spent - During the "commercial break" the judge may have spent 15 - 20 minutes deciding on the judgment.
That was asked of Judge Wapner once and that was his answer. The cases are real - but they have agreed to allowed the TV court make a legally bound decision. Legally it is considered arbitration.

1000 hills, BTW, Judge Wapner is 91 years old and still kicking. On his 90th birthday - the producers allowed him to preside over the Peoples Court.

Judge Wapner on Judge Judy:"She is not portraying a judge as I view a judge should act. She’s discourteous, and she's abrasive. She's not slightly insulting -- she’s insulting in capital letters!"

One other thing about the judge, he was awarded the Bronz Star.

 

[billwald]

The judge is acting as a binding arbitrator. It is not a judicial proceeding.

 

[Thousand Hills]

1000 hills, BTW, Judge Wapner is 91 years old and still kicking. On his 90th birthday - the producers allowed him to preside over the Peoples Court.

My bad. Glad to hear he is still alive.

 

[Alcott]

These shows are quite-- um, flighty. It was a good concept in the 80's with old Wapner, because he was just a retired judge who made a good courtroom, as well as television, presence, and knew the law and how a small claims case was to be handled, which was something millions of people were interested in, and something we could easily see could be happening to us. I don't know the history of it all, but it seems he didin't aspire to that role, even if he actually did. But for so many years now, all the shows that copied the idea build them around the personalities of these judges, who more likely did aspire to this nationally prominent, and surely lucrative, presence. I can imagine them getting loads of 'fanmail,' some with pleadings to write back or meet them somewhere, just like other performers-- or even televangelists. And that's what's wrong with so many things, especially in the USA-- a good concept runs amok with abuse by exploiting personalities for money and power.

 

[billwald]

If the people on tv shows are typical Americans we are in deep doodoo.

 

[glfredrick]

If the people on tv shows are typical Americans we are in deep doodoo.

We agree on something! :thumbsup:

What I often find amazing is that people watch television and "buy into" the show to the level where they begin to blur reality.

Every micro-second of television is scripted. In very rare instances, there is true live television, and "things" happen, but those instances are often spun later to make it seem as if they never were. Take any "in process" natural disaster, for instance, news personnel on the scene will say it like it is -- until a producer starts telling them how they would like the story presented, then everything changes (see the shootings in Arizona).

None of the "reality" shows are really "reality." Ever notice that the cameras are always there when people open the door, etc.? My wife and I watch "Biggest Looser" and I read some about the program. The weigh-in time that is shown in a few minutes often takes an entire day to film. That's why some of the scenes show aggravated people, which the producers spin into rivalries between people on the program that may or may not actually be real.

I've done some television production work, and I know how precisely every second is directed. The producer has a camera on cue, waiting for the precise right shot to "frame the mood" and the cutaways are seamless these days. Also, a TON of psychological stuff is going on with set design, background views. etc.

Watch for entertainment, and sometimes even for education, but don't "believe" because it is on television.

 

[Salty]

If the people on tv shows are typical Americans we are in deep doodoo.

Bill, this is getting ridiculous - we are agreeing again :saint:

On one hand I want to say folks on the TV judge shows are not typical - but sometimes I actually do wonder what with all I see happening - even in our churches.

Have you ever seen "THE CYCLE OF DEMOCRACY"

"From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to apathy;
from apathy to dependence;
from dependency back again into bondage."​

 

[SaggyWoman]

I like the Judge Judy shows and Judge Joe Brown shows, though I don't get to watch them much any more since I am working in the afternoons.

 

[Salty]

I like the Judge Judy shows and Judge Joe Brown shows, though I don't get to watch them much any more since I am working in the afternoons.

You didn't read what Judge Wapner said about Judge Judy? :BangHead: (see post # 6)

 

[SaggyWoman]

Judge Wapner is a freak.

Still gotta like her.

I have had to sit in court a few times for reasons not my own, and some of them folks in there need a dose of Judge Judy, let me tell you.

 

[Jim1999]

Judge Judy is da man!

Cheers,

Jim

 

[blackbird]

"Every micro-second of television is scripted. In very rare instances, there is true live television, and "things" happen, .

I've done some television production work, and I know how precisely every second is directed. The producer has a camera on cue, waiting for the precise right shot to "frame the mood" and the cutaways are seamless these days. Also, a TON of psychological stuff is going on with set design, background views. etc.

Watch for entertainment, and sometimes even for education"

This is EXACTLY why my Sunday Morning preaching "hour" is not televised!!!!!!:smilewinkgrin::saint::laugh: BUT although its not televised----------------"things" still happen!!!!!

 

[glfredrick]

Bill, this is getting ridiculous - we are agreeing again :saint:

On one hand I want to say folks on the TV judge shows are not typical - but sometimes I actually do wonder what with all I see happening - even in our churches.

Have you ever seen "THE CYCLE OF DEMOCRACY"

"From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to apathy;
from apathy to dependence;
from dependency back again into bondage."​

Plato essentially wrote the above in The Republic, circa 380 BC. He was right and through history we've been able to watch this progression over and again. I'd say that we're at "dependence" in America right now and rapidly heading to bondage (for the sake of the security of that dependence).