So back to my original question when you said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alive in Christ
"No, I see any women who are good, qualified teachers of the scriptures, being fully able to teach ANYONE the truthes of Gods scriptures.
Kids, teens, women and men.
I, a man, have been blessed abundantly listening to the excllent teaching of women like Kay Arthur, Beth Moore and others.
There is abundant evidence in the scriptures to support women teaching men.
The "problem" here is not with the women teachers, and pastors.
The "problem" is clearly with the men. "
When a "good, qualified women teachers of the scriptures" come to this verse how would they teach that scripture doesn't clearly state a woman is not to teach a man nor usurp mans authority. How would she teach the truth there based on what the original language Paul through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote? Based on the culture of the people at Ephesus who worship Goddess and had female priest (priestess) as their culture. This would have been out of their normal worship practices, but throughtout Asia Minor in Macedonia and even Rome the practice was quite acceptable to have women as Priest especially at temples of Dinah.
Here it is in several versions with the text including the new living:
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
NIV
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
American standard
12 But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve;
14 and Adam was not beguiled, but the woman being beguiled hath fallen into transgression
NLT
12 I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.
13 For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve.
14 And it was not Adam who was deceived by Satan. The woman was deceived, and sin was the result.
Then the Greek words for:
Suffer = Epitrepo
to turn to, transfer, commit, instruct, to permit, allow, give leave
Not = Ou
no, not; in direct questions expecting an affirmative answer
Woman = Gune
a woman of any age, whether a virgin, or married, or a widow
a wife, of a betrothed woman
Teach = Didasko
to teach, to hold discourse with others in order to instruct them, deliver didactic discourses, to be a teacher, to discharge the office of a teacher, conduct one's self as a teacher, to teach one, to impart instruction, instill doctrine into one, the thing taught or enjoined, to explain or expound a thing
to teach one something,
He continues nor to usurp or snatch the:
Authority = Authenteo
one who with his own hands kills another or himself, one who acts on his own authority, autocratic, an absolute master, to govern, exercise dominion over one
and it continues "over the man", so how would a woman who is a "good, qualified women teachers of the scriptures" expound this and still show she is qualified to teach, to have Authenteo over, to pastor a man?
