Twice-impeached convicted felon

[Centrist]

It disturbs me to what extent the courts went on something like this. Great. They just did a first- they convicted a former president of their opinion of a crime. Well, if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander. Obama forged his birth certificate to make it look like he was born in Hawaii so he could run for president. He is caught on video confessing to being born in Kenya. Not just my opinion, but a lot of other Republicans. If the courts can burt Trump because of what a hooker said, I imagine they can bust Obama for forgery, if not a lot more. Is it true? Who knows. But since they opened the gate....

 

[Rob_BW]

I live in Western Virginia. In dividing the state...

Red Area - Republican West of Appomattox County (Including Lynchburg)
Blue Area - Democrat East of Appomattox County

The western counties of Virginia will report their results first. Just when it looks like a Republican sweep the eastern part of the state will report. It is important that we get out and vote. I must say here also that even though I am Pentecostal Holiness we send most of our young people to Liberty University. I also helped a niece get her bachelors degree there. I find little difference in Pentecostal Holiness and Baptist here.

Here is the last presidential election in which Biden won the state of Virginia even though it was red by county.
https://wset.com/news/beyond-the-podium/lynchburg-voted-blue-how-biden-won-virginia

North Carolina had similar shenanigans last general election. Orange County blamed covid for long lines, stayed open past polling hours, and managed to find enough votes to re-elect a Democrat governor even though Trump won the state. Hmmm....

 

[canadyjd]

The judge set the sentencing for July 11, 4 days before the Repub convention (nothing political, huh).

I predict he will sentence him to prison and try to get DT into the same jail cell as Epstein.

Also, I think DT got $38 million in donations in the 6 hours after the verdict, and continues to get more.

Most importantly, he is saying the right things… not about me (DT), can’t allow this to happen to any other Pres, etc….,

We live in interesting times

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

North Carolina had similar shenanigans last general election. Orange County blamed covid for long lines, stayed open past polling hours, and managed to find enough votes to re-elect a Democrat governor even though Trump won the state. Hmmm....

This is an old dem trick. In 2000, in Missouri, Mel Carnahan, Dem, died in a plane crash several weeks before election.

In Missouri, St.Louis and KC were winning dem about 53 to 47. In rural Mo, repubs led 53 47, St Louis kept polls open after 7pm for about four hours, and stopped hourly updates. They then dumped hundreds and of thousands of ballots into the system that went 70 to 30 for Carnahan. His name was the only one marked on those ballots.

I remember Senator Kit Bond, furious, was promising federal investigation but the repub candidate refused and conceded because Bush/Gore was being contested and he didn’t want to add to the chaos.

You can go back even further. I’ve heard reports Chicago did the same thing for Kennedy in 1960.

Same old corruption and no one is ever held accountable

peace to you

 

[KenH]

think DT got $38 million in donations in the 6 hours after the verdict, and continues to get more.

Wow! A lot of folks sending Donald Trump their Social Security checks, eh?

 

[canadyjd]

Wow! A lot of folks sending Donald Trump their Social Security checks, eh?

30% were people that never contributed to anyone before

Americans can see through this politically motivated weaponization of our legal system and know this is far more important than DT.

It must be exposed and stopped.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

30% were people that never contributed to anyone before

To anyone ever, ever before in their entire life or had not contributed to Donald Trump during this current election cycle?

 

[canadyjd]

To anyone ever, ever before in their entire life or had not contributed to Donald Trump during this current election cycle?

About 30% had not contributed to any candidate, ever, prior to this, according to the filing.

Just saw DT raised $140 million in May, twice as much from April.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

About 30% had not contributed to any candidate, ever, prior to this, according to the filing.

Maybe so, but I am skeptical as ubiquitous as money has been, and is, in American politics for years now.

 

[canadyjd]

Maybe so, but I am skeptical as ubiquitous as money has been, and is, in American politics for years now.

I have no problem with money in politics as long as there is full transparency. I certainly don’t want tax payer funded campaigns.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

I certainly don’t want tax payer funded campaigns.

I am certainly opposed to that; I would like to see at least a 90% reduction in the size, reach, and scope of government on the federal and state levels.

 

[canadyjd]

I am certainly opposed to that; I would like to see at least a 90% reduction in the size, reach, and scope of government on the federal and state levels.

Well, not sure how to measure 90% reduction. Total employees? Total money spent at federal/state level?

Personally, I’d like to see to following….

1. 10% flat tax on everyone/ individuals. One deduction of 20K then 10% on everything above. No refundable credits. No married filing jointly.

2. Constitutional amendment to balance budget. 2/3 override for 1 year in emergencies.

3. No “baseline budgeting” Each budget developed and voted in every year.

4. No fed reserve. All monetary policies passed by Congress/ implemented by Executive.

5. No Social Security at Fed level. Leave it to States.

6. No depart of Education at Fed level, leave it to states.

7. Dismantle CIA, FISA Courts, EPA,

That would be a good start imo

peace to you

 

[Rob_BW]

Well, not sure how to measure 90% reduction. Total employees? Total money spent at federal/state level?

Personally, I’d like to see to following….

1. 10% flat tax on everyone/ individuals. One deduction of 20K then 10% on everything above. No refundable credits. No married filing jointly.

2. Constitutional amendment to balance budget. 2/3 override for 1 year in emergencies.

3. No “baseline budgeting” Each budget developed and voted in every year.

4. No fed reserve. All monetary policies passed by Congress/ implemented by Executive.

5. No Social Security at Fed level. Leave it to States.

6. No depart of Education at Fed level, leave it to states.

7. Dismantle CIA, FISA Courts, EPA,

That would be a good start imo

peace to you

We are at the "Loot the Treasury" phase of societal collapse.

 

[KenH]

Well, not sure how to measure 90% reduction.

It is my general belief as to what the size, reach, and scope of government should be, as characterized by these two quotes:

"The state therefore has two natural functions, functions essential to the existence of any peaceful, ordered society: to protect the rights of citizens against violent or fraudulent assault, and to judge in conflicts of right with right. It has a further third function, which is another aspect of the first, that is, to protect its citizens from assault by foreign powers. These three functions are expressed by three powers: the police power, which protects the citizen against domestic violence; the military power, which protects the citizen against violence from abroad; and the courts of law, which judge between rights and rights, as well as sharing with the police power the protection of the citizen against domestic violence.
…
But since this institution must possess a monopoly of legal physical force, to give to it in addition any further power is fraught with danger; that monopoly gives to the state so much power that its natural functions should be its maximum functions."

- Frank S. Meyer, In Defense of Freedom: A Conservative Credo, published in 1962

“Since government is institutionalized coercion — a very dangerous thing — it should do nothing but protect people in its bailiwick from physical coercion. What does that imply? It implies a police force to protect you from coercion within its boundaries, an army to protect you from coercion from outsiders, and a court system to allow you to adjudicate disputes without resorting to coercion. I could live happily enough with a government that did just those things.”

- Doug Casey, as quoted by Laurence M. Vance, in his column, "American Needs a Great Reset"

 

[canadyjd]

It is my general belief as to what the size, reach, and scope of government should be, as characterized by these two quotes:

"The state therefore has two natural functions, functions essential to the existence of any peaceful, ordered society: to protect the rights of citizens against violent or fraudulent assault, and to judge in conflicts of right with right. It has a further third function, which is another aspect of the first, that is, to protect its citizens from assault by foreign powers. These three functions are expressed by three powers: the police power, which protects the citizen against domestic violence; the military power, which protects the citizen against violence from abroad; and the courts of law, which judge between rights and rights, as well as sharing with the police power the protection of the citizen against domestic violence.
…
But since this institution must possess a monopoly of legal physical force, to give to it in addition any further power is fraught with danger; that monopoly gives to the state so much power that its natural functions should be its maximum functions."

- Frank S. Meyer, In Defense of Freedom: A Conservative Credo, published in 1962

“Since government is institutionalized coercion — a very dangerous thing — it should do nothing but protect people in its bailiwick from physical coercion. What does that imply? It implies a police force to protect you from coercion within its boundaries, an army to protect you from coercion from outsiders, and a court system to allow you to adjudicate disputes without resorting to coercion. I could live happily enough with a government that did just those things.”

- Doug Casey, as quoted by Laurence M. Vance, in his column, "American Needs a Great Reset"

These are fine ideas for the fed gov. The States have other powers under our constitution. It is at the state level that various ideas of more or less government should be expressed.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

The States have other powers under our constitution.

Yes, states have their own state constitutions to go by. That being said, I still want even state governments to be restrained.

To quote from Laurence M. Vance in his column I referenced earlier( here is the link to the column itself: America Needs a Great Reset – The Future of Freedom Foundation )

"This means that in order for personal liberty and property rights to flourish and government at all levels be tamed, a great reset is absolutely necessary.

First of all, just because some activity of the federal government is returned to the states does not mean that it is a proper function of government at the state or local level. For example: education and the drug war. Although the federal Department of Education — which does not educate a single child — should be among the first federal departments to be completely eliminated, this doesn’t mean that the states should be in charge of educating anyone’s children. And although the federal war on drugs should be ended immediately and the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) disbanded, this doesn’t mean that the states should have their own drug wars. The same principle applies to state welfare programs, job training programs, and health care or health insurance programs."

 

[canadyjd]

Yes, states have their own state constitutions to go by. That being said, I still want even state governments to be restrained.

To quote from Laurence M. Vance in his column I referenced earlier( here is the link to the column itself: America Needs a Great Reset – The Future of Freedom Foundation )

"This means that in order for personal liberty and property rights to flourish and government at all levels be tamed, a great reset is absolutely necessary.

First of all, just because some activity of the federal government is returned to the states does not mean that it is a proper function of government at the state or local level. For example: education and the drug war. Although the federal Department of Education — which does not educate a single child — should be among the first federal departments to be completely eliminated, this doesn’t mean that the states should be in charge of educating anyone’s children. And although the federal war on drugs should be ended immediately and the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) disbanded, this doesn’t mean that the states should have their own drug wars. The same principle applies to state welfare programs, job training programs, and health care or health insurance programs."

You convince voters at the state level.

Look at the decriminalizing of drugs in Oregon/Washington/California…..

The unintended consequences of saying anybody can do drugs if they want to, the state shouldn’t prohibit it, is tens of thousands of overdose deaths, rampant crime (addicts must get money to buy drugs), rampant homelessness, s:x trafficking (addicts must get money for drugs), general urban decay.

Maje the argument at the state level. Get folks to agree with you when it utterly fails, as mentioned above, be ready to make changes for the public good

peace to you

 

[KenH]

You convince voters at the state level.

Look at the decriminalizing of drugs in Oregon/Washington/California…..

The unintended consequences of saying anybody can do drugs if they want to, the state shouldn’t prohibit it, is tens of thousands of overdose deaths, rampant crime (addicts must get money to buy drugs), rampant homelessness, s:x trafficking (addicts must get money for drugs), general urban decay.

Maje the argument at the state level. Get folks to agree with you when it utterly fails, as mentioned above, be ready to make changes for the public good

peace to you

Jacob G. Hornberger wrote an excellent column in April dealing with your points:

End the Drug War in Oregon, Both State and Federal – The Future of Freedom Foundation

 

[JonC]

I wonder if the pot recognizes the kettle.

I believe most realize that the Democrats have weaponized the judicial system for political reasons in their attacks against Trump.

Did Trump make questionable decisions? Did Trump break a law? Perhaps, but nothing to rise to the level of a felony. Often in businesses laws are "bent", and there were no victims (hush money is not illegal, the real-estate issues do not rise to a felony).

And even if Trump were guilty the charges are political.


BUT Hunter Biden is charged with lying on a form to buy a gun in 2018 by not admitting drug addiction and having the gun for 11 days. Most addicts do not recognize addiction.

This is the Republicans weaponizing the judicial system as well.

If I had a drug addiction and bought a gun, had the gun for 11 days....and did not use the gun to commit a crime....this would not be brought up. It would be a non-issue. I could actually keep the gun.

 

[Silverhair]

Where do you think we are on this cycle?