Two good arguments for a Pretrib Rapture

[Inspector Javert]

You have a very small mind!

That's a category mistake.
A "MIND" is neither "small" nor "large" nor can it be because it isn't a physical entity which occupies space.
I wouldn't expect you to understand that of course, but it's true that a statement like that is nonsense on it's face....

Because it does not exist!

Of course not.....

As I painstakingly explained to you....
there is no text of Scriture or even possible text of Scripture which will move you towards admitting your own mistaken notions.....

God himself....

I mean that....

GOD HIMSELF....

Could not move you to accept a Dispensational Pre-Mil view......no matter what he did or what he said in Scripture.

No passage exists in your (neither "small" nor "large" mind) because you have already dedicated yourself to the proposition that it could not.....
That makes it impossible to prove to you.

 

[OldRegular]

That's a category mistake.
A "MIND" is neither "small" nor "large" nor can it be because it isn't a physical entity which occupies space.
I wouldn't expect you to understand that of course, but it's true that a statement like that is nonsense on it's face....

Of course not.....

As I painstakingly explained to you....
there is no text of Scriture or even possible text of Scripture which will move you towards admitting your own mistaken notions.....

God himself....

I mean that....

GOD HIMSELF....

Could not move you to accept a Dispensational Pre-Mil view......no matter what he did or what he said in Scripture.

No passage exists in your (neither "small" nor "large" mind) because you have already dedicated yourself to the proposition that it could not.....
That makes it impossible to prove to you.

Is your mind so small that you really think God would lie about what His Word already teaches, a general resurrection and a general judgment at the return of Jesus Christ? Just in case you are unfamiliar with the Scripture I will kindly post it for you in large type.

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[OldRegular]

As I painstakingly explained to you....
there is no text of Scriture or even possible text of Scripture which will move you towards admitting your own mistaken notions.....

God himself....

I mean that....

GOD HIMSELF....

Could not move you to accept a Dispensational Pre-Mil view......no matter what he did or what he said in Scripture.

No passage exists in your (neither "small" nor "large" mind) because you have already dedicated yourself to the proposition that it could not.....
That makes it impossible to prove to you.

Make up your mind. You said earlier:

Pre-trib Rapturism may be wrong...I dunno....
But God himself couldn't convince you of it if he tried.

Why would God try to convince me of the truth of something that is wrong?

 

[Inspector Javert]

Is your mind so small

Again...."minds" are neither "small" nor "large"....
or anything in between.

that you really think God would lie about what His Word already teaches, a general resurrection and a general judgment at the return of Jesus Christ?

I don't think God "lies"...about what he "teaches"....
does that even make sense?....
"lie" about what he "teaches"???
....
Sounds stupid to me, but o.k....
I'll bite:

Just in case you are unfamiliar with the Scripture

It's nearly impossible that I could be unfamiliar with it...
You've only quoted it about 60,000 times in the last 10 years...
I've read it....

It's in my Scofield reference :laugh::wavey: Bible...
It's also in my NIV Bible...
It's in my Thompson Chain Reference Bible..
It's in my Nave's Topical Bible..
It's in my stolen NASV pew bible with no footnotes I bogarted from the Church I attended as a kid....
It's in my replica 1611 KJV Bible...
It's in my 1631 King James Bible I paid 375 lbs. for in a used book store in London 14 years ago....

Again...you've also posted it scores of times in your lifetime on B.B...

I've read it.

I will kindly post it for you in large type.

"Kindly"????
Is that what you want to convince the readers is your motivation??
"KINDNESS"???

REALLY???

I'll not lie and instead state unequivocally, that my goal (far from "kindness") is to demonstrate my superior knowledge and intelligence and also to make you appear to be stupid in front of hundreds of potential readers.....

"Kindness" is the last of my motivations...
You, however, submit that "kindness" is your motivating factor???

Oh,
O.K.

Hey readers...
I also have ocean-front property in Arizona to sell CHEAP!!!! $$$$$$
Along with O.R's "kindness".

John 5:28, 29

28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Yes...
I agree with that passage...
for precisely what it says....
in all of it's details....
In every translation of the Scriptures I own...

And exactly as you've quoted it as the death-knell of Dispensationalism that you inexplicably think it is in the 60 million times you've quoted it.

It's all true.

So what??

 

[Inspector Javert]

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[OldRegular]

Apparently the two simple questions I posted on another thread got to someone. It appears to me that on a Forum which is predominantly pre-trib-dispensational someone could have attempted to provide an answer.

What is the Scriptural Basis for:

1.The Rapture of the Church prior to a Great Seven Year Tribulation?

2. The doctrine that the Church, for which Jesus Christ died, is a "Parenthesis" or Intercalation in God's Program for Israel!

The thread was closed after only 15 posts yet the thread "Preparing a truthful Calvinist sermon" on the Calvinism/Arminianism Forum ran for 400 posts.

Was I being ostracized because I posed the following:

The following Scripture interpreted according to the supposed hermeneutic of the pre-trib-rapture-ready-dispensationalist clearly teaches a general resurrection and judgment yet you deny it.

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Some way or the other you dispensationalist find a mythical 1007 years encapsulated in that "hour" in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth. I expect it is the same way some people find millions of years encapsulated in the six days of creation.

I realize that pre-trib-dispensationalists have a difficult time with the words of Jesus Christ but?????

Instead of answers from the learned pre-rib-dispensationalists I get remarks like the following:

Originally posted by DHK
It is wrong to tell lies OR. People have presented Scripture to you over and over again. You simply reject it.

Would it hurt to post them again if they existed. I expect I have posted John 5:28, 29 a thousand times in the 10 years I have been on this Forum! And then the good Rev. tells me:

Originally posted by Revmitchell
You are greeted with silence because you are not being genuine. You poke fun, attack, and meet any and all attempts to have a conversation with you on this subject with disdain and smugness.

You do not want to discuss or debate you simply want to berate. No one wants to do that. In fact there is nothing sincere about this thread. It is nothing more than you mocking what you disagree with.

And good old Icon comes riding to the rescue and writes:

Originally posted by Iconoclast
''and yet it looks like you're the one berating OR .....he just want you to give a verse or series of verses that you think teach this teaching

But the good Rev is not deterred:

Originally posted by Revmitchell
This entire thread is about "sliming" anyone who disagrees with you. I have no idea how you think this is anything but that.

And then he berates the Lone Ranger, Icon

Originally posted by Revmitchell
NO that is not what he"just wants". You guys have some gall. You post posts and start threads like this and then try to act like you don't even do it.

Now Rev. Show me where I slimed anyone! And then tell me why it is wrong to ask these simple questions:

What is the Scriptural Basis for:

1.The Rapture of the Church prior to a Great Seven Year Tribulation?

2. The doctrine that the Church, for which Jesus Christ died, is a "Parenthesis" or Intercalation in God's Program for Israel!

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[Iconoclast]

Apparently the two simple questions I posted on another thread got to someone. It appears to me that on a Forum which is predominantly pre-trib-dispensational someone could have attempted to provide an answer.



The thread was closed after only 15 posts yet the thread "Preparing a truthful Calvinist sermon" on the Calvinism/Arminianism Forum ran for 400 posts.

Was I being ostracized because I posed the following:



I realize that pre-trib-dispensationalists have a difficult time with the words of Jesus Christ but?????

Instead of answers from the learned pre-rib-dispensationalists I get remarks like the following:



Would it hurt to post them again if they existed. I expect I have posted John 5:28, 29 a thousand times in the 10 years I have been on this Forum! And then the good Rev. tells me:



And good old Icon comes riding to the rescue and writes:



But the good Rev is not deterred:



And then he berates the Lone Ranger, Icon



Now Rev. Show me where I slimed anyone! And then tell me why it is wrong to ask these simple questions:

:laugh::laugh::laugh: good summary, all those attacks but not one valid verse:thumbs:

 

[Revmitchell]

And they continue to prove my point.