TWO QUESTIONS FOR CALVINISTS

Could be, but I don't think so. I don't think that there is ever an "only cause".

Sure you could have. Had you wanted to more then you would have.

 

I am not laying blame on anyone or anything and I have not departed from scripture.

Why do you all not consider the elements of truth that the scene reveals? Why do you not think things through?

What was the real reason that Adam sinned?

 

Hello whatever.

I was answering a post of yours where you asked, I don't think "determined" and "Author of" are equivalent, and it seems that you do. But I can't find where you asked it so I put the answer here.
I think I do. Author : one that is the source of some form of intellectual or creative work. Determined : to fix conclusively or authoritatively.

I think they are very closely connected. Since the creation is as it is because the Author of life determined it to be as it is.
If He had not wanted sin to enter the creation sin would not have entered. It must be necessary and for the best but it must mean that God ok'd it.
Romans 11:32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
An important reason for sin is that God wants to reveal His glory. Since His wrath is part of the glory of God there is a need for wrath to be revealed as well as His mercy.
Romans 11:32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
It was God that bound all men over to disobedience, this all must include Adam and Eve but not Jesus, then it was God that bound us over and not ourselves!

johnp.

 

>If Christian's sin because they have a sin nature that must mean that alway sin when tempted.

Neither logically not theologically correct. "Sin nature" inplies that all human activities are tinged with sin, not that 100% of activities is sinful. Why? because of God's "common grace" which helps most all humans to do right much of the time.

Second, "always sinning" does not maximize sin. Sin is maximized when it occurs randomly. Think about it.

 

>But we have the ability to sin or to not sin, right?

Yes, just as cats have the ability to swim or not swim. Ever see a cat swim voluntarially?

 

Hello billwald.

Ever tried giving one a bath.HaHa!

johnp.

 

Skandelon,

Good questions which get to the heart of the matter. I agree with you, BTW, and posted a similar line of questions here several months ago (along with the question of what caused Lucifer to fall). However, then (as now) most of it either went over folks' heads or was ignored by those who apparently wanted to avoid the implications of answering those questions for the veracity of their ideology.

 

Hello Doubting Thomas nice to meet you.
I can't remember having spoken to you before. Maybe you would like to put your points again.

What answers did you get for this?

johnp.

 

Skandelon.

No.

johnp.

 

Sorry. I posted, then went back further in the thread and realized my comment was kind of out of context.

 

Hello Skandelon.

Simply because He holds you responsible. No other reason is needed He says it is so.

Romans 9:19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, `Why did you make me like this?' " 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
I have said that Then how can I be held accoutable for choosing? is a valid question but the only answer given is, "Who are you, O man, to talk back to God?"
The conclusion that makes you arrive at the question is correct it is that you do not want to accept the answer. That is the only answer given. "Who are you?" It's a serious warning that is.

Who gave you the impression that your choice had anything free about it? You cannot divorce your will from what you desire. Your desires are the desires of the fallen nature not a living spirit in communion with God. Romans 8:7-8 tells us what we are like.

Look at the 2 Peter 2:1 verse and that will put a proper perspective on our position in the scheme of things! Jesus Christ has bought the whole of creation and rules it as a Despot. The purchase included the whole of humanity which He owns as slaves to do with as He wills. Slaves are slaves and must obey the command of their Master. They all do. He is Sovereign. DA 4:35 All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: "What have you done?"

We are bold though. We have the upperhand over our leaders. We are democrats, in the nicest sort of way, and are free men able to pick and choose those who govern us. This is a lot to overcome.
Another problem you face is the Sweet Jesus God loves eveybody problem. God cannot love everybody because He harms many. Love never fails. He has an everlasting love for His Children I know He showed me it. Love never fails yet we see people going to Hell. Why? Because there is no love between God and those that oppose Him. Romans 9:11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad--in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls--she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
Love is denied when that love ends. Love never fails so if it stops it was not love. Yet He told me it was love everlasting and I believe Him.

What you think?

johnp.

 

What comic book did you find this in? You ABSOLUTELY can divorce your will from your desires. We all do it every day of our lives!

My desire is a life of leisure, my will is to do what is right for those depending on me! I therefore divorce my will from my desire in order to accomplish my will.

Another sign that you do not think things through!

 

Not so Wes.

Your desire is to support your family. You have a greater desire to support your family than to laze about doing nothing. Both are noble desires in my books and as a man in a role reversal I can tell you it is a push over being mum.

Oh no? Who is the one slogging his guts out you or me. HaHa.

johnp.