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Silverhair
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He gave us a hand written hard copy of the ten commandments. How well did we do following those?
To give us something worthwhile to talk about, imo.
Do you consider 'The Living Bible' (I know, I know, it's not a translation) to be in sync with TULIP? Calvinist doctrine? As hard as the author tried to suppress the doctrines of grace in his transliteration, I came to understand unconditional election from reading Romans 9 in the TLB.
"The scriptures teach us nothing. They're there to give us a way to articulate what the Spirit is teaching". Elder Mettsinger
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The questions were asked by the Reformed theologian Dr. John M. Frame in his Systematic Theology text, The Doctrine of the Word of God, part of his “Theology of Lordship” series (page 249).
Rob
“After all, he might have provided not only perfect copies, but also perfect textual criticism, perfect translations, perfect teaching, and so on. Indeed, he might have guaranteed that all our attempts to understand might be perfectly successful. He might even have determined to skip the steps between inspiring the Scripture and giving us understanding of it.” (ibid 250)
Curiously, the Spirit is where Frame takes us!
Rob
Alan Gross
Well-Known Member
Were we to tweak this statement
with an additional qualification by saying,
"more perfect preservation of the autographic text
than humanly possible",
then I believe that we can certainly comfortably state,
"God chose to give us
"more perfect preservation of the autographic text
than humanly possible" copies, ensuring the
"more perfect preservation of the autographic text
than humanly possible".
Were we to tweak this statement
with an additional qualification and turning it around by saying,
"...having an inerrant Bible is important,
so God determined to make copies of Scripture inerrant",
when viewed from His Perspective as He has Given us HIS WORDS
to His specifications IN THE MANNER HE HAS REVEALED is His Criteria
by which HE DEFINES SCRIPTURES AS BEING "INERRANT", or NOT,
i.e., for example;
1.) is 'Isaiah' in The Old Testament
an 'errant' translation vs 'Esaias' in The New Testament?
2.) Are quotes from one or more Old Testament Scriptures
that are quoted by Jesus and other New Testament writers
'errant' in their writings and/or translations??? when they can,
at times, seem to vary greatly???
= Well, those are going to demonstrate God's Standard
and Criteria for 'variant' renderings, and, therefore,
= All 'variants' are not 'errant', while...???
3.) All 'variants' are not 'errant', while...observing the simplest
methodology, or 'translation philosophy' of "COMPARISON".
Logic in court proceedings that will generally rule in favor
of a 95% majority of witnesses who agree with each other,
as a matter of course, versus the remaining 5%,
(particularly in a case
where those 5% not only disagree with the 95%,
but where each of the 5% also disagrees with each of the other 5%)
in their sworn testimony tendered to a convening court session.
4.) APART FROM OTHER MORE PRESSING CONSIDERATIONS,
the 5% of 'variants' may very well be determined to be 'errant'.
5.) While, leaning on The Everlasting Arms of God and
not 'the arm of the flesh', in the use of 'common sense',
it may be that these initial considerations in decerning
'The Hand of God', in His Decreed Providence, along with
continuing the longstanding, historical, and Biblical procedure
and process where God Promised to Preserve His Written Word,
FOR STARTERS,
should also prove more prudent than the abandonment
of God's Biblical Doctrine of The Preservation of His Word,
accompanied with the dismissal of the 95+% majority record,
to adopt a newly created, man-made philosophy
of 'restructuring', or 'recreating' a before unknown 'text',
(that we have learned to be ill-advisable and factually warrantless),
although A.) there is no Command from God Revealed of the kind
and B.) it not only assumes the 95+% majority record
to be insufficient and basically corrupted and of no use at all,
but that C.) all previous translation efforts were fruitless
and in vain, in their ability to produce a reliable translation, etc.
...
He, unfortunately, makes that attempt without a Word from God.
"It is the Spirit that Quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the Words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are Life."
John 6:63.
The Lord Speaks through His Eternal Logos,
"the Words that" Jesus "speaks" "are Spirit" and "Life"
because, The Word Who was in The Beginning,
and was with The Divine Essence
and Eternal Nature in the Person of God the Father,
and The Word was God, in His Divine Essence
and Eternal Nature of the Person of Jesus Christ, The Son of God,
Who was, again, The Second Person in The Triune Godhead.
QUESTION: How did Jesus Know that His Words
would be Recorded in Writing and Passed Down
and Preserved for us to Read and, to ultimately be Judged by?
SCRIPTURE REFERENCE: "He that rejecteth Me,
and receiveth not My Words, hath one that Judgeth him:
the Word that I have spoken,
the same shall Judge him in The Last Day." John 12:48.
ANSWER: JESUS IS GOD.
Alan Gross
Well-Known Member
Ridiculous, flesh-filled, genuinely extremely foolish
gratuitous assertion, by the reasoning of a sin-cursed,
shortsighted mind (that "is a terrible thing to waste").
Why then, if "they are there",
would one stupidly say they "teach nothing."
The scriptures "articulating"
is equivalent to the scriptures' "teaching".
The scriptures "are there" "teaching" and "articulating"
EVERYTHING PERTINENT from The Mind of God, by His Will,
through The Spirit, and not through the "wisdom that man teaches",
such as that of this blasphemous man-fool.
God might have made "ifs" and "buts" "cake and nuts"
and flying donkeys and frogs, or for life to come from a rock.
That is if He had wanted to give His glory to "ifs" and "buts",
and donkeys and frogs and rocks, instead of His Own Miraculous Plans.
We know that His Plan
can get more valuable wisdom from a rock than this junk;
"And He answered and said unto them,
I tell you that, if these should hold their peace,
the stones would immediately cry out." Luke 19:40.
He did but there is a fellow who showed up in 2 Cor 11 who confused the facts. He is still around. He does inspire Bibles and he has lots of helpers
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37818
Well-Known Member
Psalms 119:89, For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.
Proverbs 30:5-6, Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Deuteronomy 4:2, Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
God cannot be charged with imperfection. The scriptures have it seems 6 divisions to instruct us in the ways of God, according to Ps 19 & 119.
1) The law of the LORD - perfect
2) His testimony - Sure
3) His statues - right
4) The commandment - Pure
5) The fear of the Lord - Clean
6) His judgements - Righteous
De 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
There is not a Baptist on this forum that will argue for this kind of description of any Bible they can hold in their hands. The reason I think this is true is revealed in 2 Cor 11.
We are being tested.
I believe it is because God's Word transcends the autographic text and if we had those original sources they would become objects of worship.