Two Questions

That is your interpretation.

God established His intent for Jesus, before the foundation of the world. He did not wait for either Calvin or Armenius to establish their positions.

 

God established His Sovereign Grace before the foundation of the world.

Bro. Dallas

 

No, Grace is of a Sovereign God. There was no need for Him to "establish" grace, and there is no such thing as sovereign grace. The one who thinks there is, must also think there is sovereign love, sovereign Justice, sovereign mercy, etc. that God would have had to "establish". The truth is that God is sovereign therefore all of his attributes, grace, Love, mercy, justice, etc. are that which is of a sovereign God. Furthermore, God does not dispense his attributes as one would dispense candy, transferring possession from a giver to a receiver!

 

yelsew,

Your glorification of man never ceases to amaze me.

God is Sovereign or He is not. There is no in between position to take, His government is not federal, nor is it enlightened despotism, it is sure and founded fully upon His Sovereignty. There is no place for an electoral college of or among men.

God Bless
Bro. Dallas

 

Yes God is sovereign! Because God is sovereign, his attributes are sovereign. That quite simply is the way it is and man can do nothing whatever to alter sovereign God. I see nothing in what I've posted that exalts man in any way.

Face it, your theology is inadequate.

 

Face it, the total depravity of man cannot be denied.

Bro. Dallas

 

Face it, the total depravity of man cannot be denied.

Bro. Dallas </font>[/QUOTE]What do you do with "My people perish due to lack of knowledge" If depravity is what keeps man from being redeemed, why would scripture tell us that lack of knowledge is what causes his people to perish?

 

Face it, the total depravity of man cannot be denied.

Bro. Dallas </font>[/QUOTE]What do you do with "My people perish due to lack of knowledge" If depravity is what keeps man from being redeemed, why would scripture tell us that lack of knowledge is what causes his people to perish? </font>[/QUOTE]I make the distinction between those who perish in their depravity, without the indwelling Spirit, and those who possess the heavenly calling, thus, the Spirit, they do perish without knowledge, admonishing us to study that we would grow in the knowledge of the Grace and knowledge of God.

No problem.

God Bless.

Bro. Dallas

 

Monty Hall jumps out and gives you whatever prize is behind curtain number three.

 

That is not how Hosea meant it! The words in Hosea 4:6 is a ranting against a priest for withholding the knowledge from the people! A shameful priest who did not do his duty to educate the people. Therefore the people were left to their own devices and the result was great sinfulness leading to destruction. If you are a pastor, take heed!

 

Yelsew,

Certainly you do not intend to broaden the meaning of Hosea's words to include any people except that of Israel.

As a pastor brother I will fulfill the work our Lord has prepared to me, I thank you for your advice. Yet, that work is not to receive everyone I see as a child of God, until they have, as John preached, brought forth fruits meat for repentance, it would be a greater wrong to treat them as children of God, would it not?

Do you not distinguish between those of your church who you have a confidence in there testimony of salvation and those who visit from time to time without a testimony, or even those who claim that testimony but continue year after year in one sin or the other? This is true wisdom brother, to discern the sheep from the goats and to teach the Word of God plainly, surely and truthfully, and then to permit God to call forth and save those of whom are His.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas

 

No, I do not broaden the scope of Hosea's words, but Jesus did through Peter's vision, and through the conversion of Saul to Paul which launched the time of the Gentiles. Just as the Jews were perishing because of lack of knowledge, the gentiles perish for lack of knowledge.

 

ok, Yelsew, I can agree with that. But, I do not see as the commission that we are authorized to do any more than to proclaim the Gospel. Men will understand it in due season. This is what my belief is, then the knowledge is there, if we attempt to make them into something before God moves upon them, we cause them to resent the church.

God Bless
Bro. Dallas

 

Well, I agree with you too that we should not bash-em on the head with the family bible...you know, the coffee table version.

 

THIS IS AMAZING! Mark this date down in history!

I actually agree with Yelsew!

What's happening to me?

Blessings and Jestings!

Archangel

 

Ya'll quit that now, ya heah? You're makin' me blush.

 

Yelsew,

Is there a chance you may be related to Daniel Boone?

"Fess" up!!


Bro. Dallas

 

Face it, the total depravity of man cannot be denied.</font>[/QUOTE]Dallas, I don't believe you have ever shown the difference between hardening and total depravity and it is clear that hardening is not from birth; therefore it is conclusively DENIED.

 

I don't deny it, so it can't be conclusive... notice that yelsew is speaking of a theology, what is this? The study of God, by whom, a worm, a man, who am but ashes and dust, and notice he states this is 'inadequate' has he offered proof of the adequacy of his theology? No. And further he won't even consider scripture. At least you do present scripture, though it is severely mangled when you take it off the wrack.

Bro. Dallas

 

Yes, an indirect relationship. On of my ancestors traveled for a while with Daniel Boone. I must get the documentation out of the vault and review it so I can give you the name.