U.S. Nears 1,000th Execution Since 1977

[Matt Black]

I Tim 3:15: the Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth.

Nuff said.

 

[Matt Black]

PS I hear you've reached your grim milestone now

 

[Bible-boy]

Originally posted by Matt Black:
PS I hear you've reached your grim milestone now

Yes, it is sad. However, justice as prescribed by God's Word has been carried out by the state of North Carolina.

 

[Bible-boy]

Originally posted by Matt Black:
I Tim 3:15: the Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth.

Nuff said.

Sorry Matt,

That is called proof-texting to support your presupposition and is another hermaneutical mistake. You have ignored the context in which Paul was speaking. Plus, I believe the ESV translates that verse a bit better than the KJV.

if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, a pillar and buttress of truth (1 Tim. 3:15, ESV).

I don't have my Greek NT handy right now. However, I'd be willing to bet the Greek does not use the definite article "the" before the word pillar. Anyway, that verse does not support the idea that the church somehow makes the Word valid. Food for thought...

 

[HankD]

True, the word "pillar" or "buttress" has no definite article but the word "truth" does.

Also Bible-boy, where did the Church go in the passage you quoted?

Shoudn't it be?

ESV 1 Timothy 3:15
if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of truth.

HankD

 

[Pastor Larry]

I Tim 3:15: the Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth.

Exactly. The church is the defender and propogator of the truth. It is not hte one who created it or the one who has the sole authority to determine its meaning. The church is only as good as the people in it, and only as correct as the people are correct.

But the unchanging standard is the truth, not the changing views of the church.

 

[Matt Black]

Originally posted by Bible-boy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Matt Black:
I Tim 3:15: the Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth.

Nuff said.

Sorry Matt,

That is called proof-texting to support your presupposition and is another hermaneutical mistake. You have ignored the context in which Paul was speaking. Plus, I believe the ESV translates that verse a bit better than the KJV.

if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, a pillar and buttress of truth (1 Tim. 3:15, ESV).

I don't have my Greek NT handy right now. However, I'd be willing to bet the Greek does not use the definite article "the" before the word pillar. Anyway, that verse does not support the idea that the church somehow makes the Word valid. Food for thought... </font>[/QUOTE]Neither does it use the definite article in John 1:1 - as any JW will be delighted to point out to you

As for proof-texting, like no evangelical here has done this on this thread

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by Matt Black:
PS I hear you've reached your grim milestone now

I am sad about the innocent lives snuffed out by the 1000 murderers. I am not sad these 1000 murderers received justice.

 

[Bible-boy]

Originally posted by HankD:
True, the word "pillar" or "buttress" has no definite article but the word "truth" does.

Also Bible-boy, where did the Church go in the passage you quoted?

Shoudn't it be?

ESV 1 Timothy 3:15
if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of truth.

HankD

Yep! Sorry, I mis-typed and left out a few words in my haste to post. Good spot.