ugh.. now Im frustrated about the Passion

You're quick

 

Any time a person goes into a placing with the bias that there's something wrong with it, they will 'see' the wrong, whether or not it is truly there.

Gibson never said that this was supposed to be a movie to in non-believers to Christ, but instead it was for his journey.

I went and saw the movie this past Tuesday, and there was nothing anti-biblical about it. Extra-biblical maybe, but not anti-biblical.

The well-known Chuck Swindol was one of those individuals who was cautioning everyone about seeing the film, but that was before he saw it. Afterwards he not only has changed his view, but now urges all Christians to view this film. Explain that one.

If this movie is so anti-biblical, then why would a reknown Baptist pastor be urging all Christians to see it. If you go to see the movie with a bias, you've done yourself a diservice. You need to go with a clear mind...a mind ready for critical thinking.


P.S. Too bad you're not in G.R. There's some pretty good Baptist churches here!

 

Anti- and Extra- are two different things.

Something can be extra-biblical and not anti-biblical. Those extra-biblical things you saw in the movie do not go against scripture.

Now, if they did, I'm sure that Swindoll would not promote the movie as he does.

Who knows what happened in the inbetween times that day. All we know is bits and pieces of it. Granted, it's the important parts we're told, but when there's that much time between passages, there needs to be filler (artisitic interpretation).

The movie was to move you, not save you. It's powerful, and those that don't want to see the movie have that choice, however, please review scriptures before you say something is anti-biblical. That's why God gave us the Bible, right? So we can study it? Grow closer to Him? To make sure what we are seeing and hearing complies with scripture.

 

You can probably read the gospel accounts of Christ's last hours in about 5 minutes. How can you possibly expect such short summary to contain all the details of the last 12 hours?

 

I had a chance to address this in church today.

In Christ,

Bob

 

The "significance" of the outward physical suffering is that Christ could have stopped at any moment and said "let the sinner pay for his own sins this is disgusting" - but He did not.

I believe Satan was urging sinful wicked mankind to be as gross as possible to mankind's savior as the best way to stop the Savior from His mission.

Nothing like the ingratitude of those you are sacrificing yourself to save.

In Christ,

Bob

 

As far as I'm concerend, I think the movie was wonderful. Everyone has their opinion, but I choose to look at only the good parts, which was about all of it.

I'll never be the same after seeing what will be as close as I will ever be able to imagine how it might have been.

When we go to church tomorrow morning and hear the choir sing songs such as, Lift Up Holy Hands, it will remind me so much more as to why I should lift my hands in worship. Other songs, such as What He's Done For Me, My Deliver, or In the presence of Jehovah. The movie has made me look at things in a different way. I LOVED IT!

MEE

 

Matthew 26: 53 Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?" 55 In that hour Jesus said to the multitudes, "Have you come out, as against a robber, with swords and clubs to take Me? I sat daily with you, teaching in the temple, and you did not seize Me. 56 But all this was done that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled." Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled.

 

Emily,

What did you find unbiblical? The distintion also needs to be made between unbiblical and not contrary to the Bible or an embellishment of scripture which according to Church Swindoll on the radion the other day, there is not a pastor in the world who does not embellish. If they did not there would be no such thing as sermons and everybody would just read the scriptures to eachother all the time.

Blessings

 

Emellish: n. add interest to a narrative with ficticious additions..

The preacher who does this should be sacked instantly.

Cheers,

Jim

 

So Jim...do you consider sermon illustrations to be "embellishment"? Just so we're clear, I think of sermon illustrations as a true story or example that helps people more clearly understand the point the scripture is making.

(Way off topic, I know, but I am intrigued with your response, and I won't dwell on it here.)

Thanks,
CJ

 

CJ, I think an illustration is just that. It is intended to illustrate a point. It is not an essential part of the truth being preached and therefore may be a ficticious story, but not pretended to be fact.

We should not tell a story about John Jones or Mary May which is not true, even though it may illustrate a point. But should we talk about the woodpecker splitting a huge redwood tree with his persistent pecking...it is obvious the story is not true, but illustrates our persevering.

I hope that is clear.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Folks, please remember that this movie is the Catholic version all the way to the depiction of "the Pieta" at the foot of the cross, you know the scene where Jesus' body is taken from the cross. Well Mary, the mother of Jesus is found there holding Jesus in the exact posture in which the stone depiction was made. Since it is not revealed in the scriptures, one can only conjecture that Mary "may have" held Jesus in that fashion, but I got news for you folks a 6 foot dead body of man of medium build, is quite heavy, which is the source of the term "dead weight". Mary had been on her feet most of the night following the procedings from venue to venue to venue, and now it was later in the afternoon. Mary grieved all day watching her beloved son pummelled by the Romans, get hung on a cross for several hours, she had to be weakened by emotional drain of the events. Yet the movie depicts her holding the dead body of her son across her lap, left arm holding his upper torso, right hand extended palm up above his body in a gesture that seemingly means "he did this for you".

I'm not complaining, it was beautifully done, but it certainly is Catholic all the way. Mel Gibson told us it is based on his education in faith and that he is Catholic.

Nevertheless, The movie is a Great movie, well worth you time and money. And it could easily have been called "The Atonement" because it depicts the Atonement better than any other movie ever made.

 

Still - if the "Catholic extent" of the movie is just the pose of Mary at the death of Christ - it does not leave a lot of room for complaining.

No smoking gun there.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Just as Genesis 1-7 is not an "exhaustive record" of all that happened in the first 1500 years of earth's history - so the Gospel accounts do not give a minute by minute account of the last 12 hours of the life of Christ. The bits and pieces of the movie that form imaginative embellishments of the story - so long as they do not contradict Bible principle or any detail in the actual text - are to be expected when the entire story is told as a play/act/movie. I don't see a problem there.

The "problem" is not that an embellishment might exist. But if the embellishments contradict scripture - then there would be a problem.

In Christ,

Bob

 

What? Are you talking about the same Monica Belluci who starred in The Matrix?

 

Emily
"I wanted to look up Monica Belluci and see that she was an ex-pornstar, not a current one.."
Monica Belluci is not and never was a pornstar. That word carries a specific meaning and simply being photographed in your birthday suit and playing a rape victim in a film does not make you one.
To be a pornstar you have to participate in photoshoots and/or movies *snip*
Now I'm going to wash my hands.

Edited because I think we all can do without a description of it! ~ Gina

[ February 29, 2004, 08:21 PM: Message edited by: Gina L ]

 

"The bits and pieces of the movie that form imaginative embellishments of the story - so long as they do not contradict Bible principle or any detail in the actual text - are to be expected when the entire story is told as a play/act/movie. I don't see a problem there."
I'm agreeing with mr. Ryan on something.