Uh.....isn't this socialism?

[mandym]

"Do we go forward towards a new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared?" Obama asked. "Or do we go backward to the same policies that got us in the mess in the first place?"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...of_an_america_which_prosperity_is_shared.html

 

[SolaSaint]

Socialism or robbery!

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Nope. Socialism is when government owns the means of production and/or distribution channels. We do have some "socialized" services if you will, since some things are so big that they can only be, or done better, as a group. Things like:
- Police
- Fire Departments
- Military
- Postal Services
- Manage the building of roads and infrastructure, eminent domain, etc.

If Obama was truly a socialist, he never would have let GM buy back out of the rescue plan. Nor the banks from their TARP money. He would have nationalized it all. Since the word "Socialism" is a loaded term in this country, it is used merely to incite discord.

Even "Obamacare" is not socialism. The big insurance companies are making out like bandits...PRIVATE insurance companies. I wish they would socialize healthcare ala the Scandinavian model, or even the British model. All of the scare tactics about those systems are baseless. We spend more and get less in the USA. We deserve, and can do, much better.

 

[mandym]

Nope. Socialism is when government owns the means of production and/or distribution channels. We do have some "socialized" services if you will, since some things are so big that they can only be, or done better, as a group. Things like:
- Police
- Fire Departments
- Military
- Postal Services
- Manage the building of roads and infrastructure, eminent domain, etc.

If Obama was truly a socialist, he never would have let GM buy back out of the rescue plan. Nor the banks from their TARP money. He would have nationalized it all. Since the word "Socialism" is a loaded term in this country, it is used merely to incite discord.

Even "Obamacare" is not socialism. The big insurance companies are making out like bandits...PRIVATE insurance companies. I wish they would socialize healthcare ala the Scandinavian model, or even the British model. All of the scare tactics about those systems are baseless. We spend more and get less in the USA. We deserve, and can do, much better.

You have not shown that Obama is not a Socialist in ideology by anything you have said here. Let's just stick to the quote. Is shared prosperity not a socialist ideology?

 

[carpro]

Obamacare, as it was envisioned by Obama, was completely a government program.

His goal was to put all insurance companies out of business and have the government run it. He just couldn't get it done.

Anyone who thinks that doesn't qualify as socialized medicine is incapable of coherent thought.

The same applies to many of his programs to fundamentally remake America, He just couldn't get them done, either. But the desire was there and still is.

Obama was raised from a very early age to hate America and everything it stands for. It shows.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

You have not shown that Obama is not a Socialist in ideology by anything you have said here. Let's just stick to the quote. Is shared prosperity not a socialist ideology?

Don't like factual data, eh?

Shared prosperity simply means that when our economy does well, we all do well. Much ado about nada.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Obamacare, as it was envisioned by Obama, was completely a government program.

His goal was to put all insurance companies out of business and have the government run it. He just couldn't get it done.

Anyone who thinks that doesn't qualify as socialized medicine is incapable of coherent thought.

The same applies to many of his programs to fundamentally remake America, He just couldn't get them done, either. But the desire was there and still is.

Obama was raised from a very early age to hate America and everything it stands for. It shows.

As I have said, I am fully onboard for socialized healthcare. As for your last statement, it is just more of your absurd, unsubstantiated delusion.

 

[mandym]

Don't like factual data, eh?

What you said, factual or otherwise, does not prove his ideology and where he would like to be.

Shared prosperity simply means that when our economy does well, we all do well. Much ado about nada.

That is not what it means. And you know it.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

What you said factual or otherwise does not prove his ideology and where he would like to be.



That is not what it means. And you know it.

You are wrong. Your hatred of Obama deludes you.

 

[carpro]

As I have said, I am fully onboard for socialized healthcare.

Of course you are. You just can't make up your mind if Obama wants it socialized or not.

He clearly does, yet you claimed he isn't a socialist. You can't have it both ways. I think most people here know what he is. So do you. You just can't bring yourself to admit it. Not sure why.

 

[OldRegular]

Nope. Socialism is when government owns the means of production and/or distribution channels. We do have some "socialized" services if you will, since some things are so big that they can only be, or done better, as a group. Things like:
- Police
- Fire Departments
- Military
- Postal Services
- Manage the building of roads and infrastructure, eminent domain, etc.

If Obama was truly a socialist, he never would have let GM buy back out of the rescue plan. Nor the banks from their TARP money. He would have nationalized it all. Since the word "Socialism" is a loaded term in this country, it is used merely to incite discord.

Even "Obamacare" is not socialism. The big insurance companies are making out like bandits...PRIVATE insurance companies. I wish they would socialize healthcare ala the Scandinavian model, or even the British model. All of the scare tactics about those systems are baseless. We spend more and get less in the USA. We deserve, and can do, much better.

Obama is for redistribution of wealth. Is that socialism or communism?

Obama has violated duly passed laws and encouraged others to do the same. Is that anarchy?

This person does not like America, that is apparent to anyone who is not snowed by his rhetoric!

 

[SolaSaint]

Magnet, where would you go if you had a life threatening disease, American health care or Scandanavian health care?

 

[billwald]

>Socialism is when government owns the means of production and/or distribution channels

NO, that is communism.

What we now have is the international corporations controlling the government aka fascism or hegemony.

 

[billwald]

>where would you go if you had a life threatening disease, American health care or Scandanavian health care?

The US if I was rich. Scandinavia if I was working class.

 

[OldRegular]

>Socialism is when government owns the means of production and/or distribution channels

NO, that is communism.

What we now have is the international corporations controlling the government aka fascism or hegemony.

Communism, socialism, fascism, all dictatorial forms of Marxism. Control the economy and you control freedom!

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Obama is for redistribution of wealth. Is that socialism or communism?

<Snip unsupported nonsensical opinion rant>

Prove Obama wants to redistribute wealth. Note also that during the Bush years, the accelleration of redistribution to the top 1% continued unabated. This article from BusinessWeek in 2004 says that the top 1% back then held more household wealth than the bottom 90% combined, a concentration not seen since the 1920s.

http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2004-10-31/how-bush-widened-the-wealth-gap

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Magnet, where would you go if you had a life threatening disease, American health care or Scandanavian health care?

I DO have a life threatening disease. I agree with billwald. US if rich or lucky enough to have great insurance, Scandinavia otherwise.

 

[OldRegular]

Prove Obama wants to redistribute wealth.

Barak Hussein's latest mantra is "shared prosperity"!

 

[billwald]

>Communism, socialism, fascism, all dictatorial forms of Marxism. Control the economy and you control freedom!

Then why do some on this list approve of the international corporations controlling the US government?

 

[carpro]

Prove Obama wants to redistribute wealth.

Not a problem. His own words for one:

"My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

His tax plan, for another:

One of Barack Obama’s most potent campaign claims is that he’ll cut taxes for no less than 95% of “working families.” He’s even promising to cut taxes enough that the government’s tax share of GDP will be no more than 18.2% — which is lower than it is today.

It’s a clever pitch, because it lets him pose as a middle-class tax cutter while disguising that he’s also proposing one of the largest tax increases ever on the other 5%. But how does he conjure this miracle, especially since more than a third of all Americans already pay no income taxes at all? There are several sleights of hand, but the most creative is to redefine the meaning of “tax cut.”

For the Obama Democrats, a tax cut is no longer letting you keep more of what you earn. In their lexicon, a tax cut includes tens of billions of dollars in government handouts that are disguised by the phrase “tax credit.” Mr. Obama is proposing to create or expand no fewer than seven such credits for individuals.